Obamacare Just Declared Unconstitutional By A Federal Judge!

[sid]

It's about time.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obamacare-ruled-unconstitutional-by-texas-judge

[dogtag]

Sounds good - but it ain't over until the fat lady sings.

[JohnMOhio]

You have that right dogtag. There is bound to be more.

[togor]

Great news! Pre-existing condition coverage will be eliminated soon! How are people here going to celebrate? BTW, unless SCOTUS disagrees, a judge just handed a potent political weapon to the people that many here hate. Next election is just two years away.

[S.A. Boggs]

Great news! Pre-existing condition coverage will be eliminated soon! How are people here going to celebrate? BTW, unless SCOTUS disagrees, a judge just handed a potent political weapon to the people that many here hate. Next election is just two years away.

Politely disagree, Obamacare was a noxious start to an actual need of American healthcare. Problem is how does one separate those in true need to those looking for a free ride at society's expense? As a cancer survivor healthcare is important to me, how does one pay for it? Some people want "free" healthcare with a "free" ride and that is not reasonable. For our family the Wal-Mart plan has been affordable and exceptionable, IMHO if this plan was adopted it could go a long way to solving the healthcare issues of America.
Sam

[JB White]

Great news! Pre-existing condition coverage will be eliminated soon! How are people here going to celebrate? BTW, unless SCOTUS disagrees, a judge just handed a potent political weapon to the people that many here hate. Next election is just two years away.

Hold on...the Repubs (including Trump) are calling for a replacement plan which allows for pre-existing conditions. Hopefully they will reopen the initial bipartisan plan which the dems shot down because some Republicans co-sponsored the proposal. It worked like a corporate or union plan which called for a small percentage to be deducted from the gross wage amount. Same as most of us have been doing.
People on welfare may have to take a 2% or 3% hit off the top for medical care instead of crab legs and crack.

[togor]

So JB, the plan is to get judges to throw out the law, putting the insurance industry into a state of heightened uncertainty, and then Trump and the GOP will ride to the rescue with a plan that picks up just enough Dem votes to get through, and it will somehow keep the good parts of Obamacare and get rid of the bad, whatever those are? That's a total pipe dream in my opinion.

[Roadkingtrax]

So JB, the plan is to get judges to throw out the law, putting the insurance industry into a state of heightened uncertainty, and then Trump and the GOP will ride to the rescue with a plan that picks up just enough Dem votes to get through, and it will somehow keep the good parts of Obamacare and get rid of the bad, whatever those are? That's a total pipe dream in my opinion.

Let's have a round of applause for GOP support of activist judges, shall we?

Could this be a gateway to Medicare for all, as it should have been?

[togor]

Assume as a starting point that all sides in a civil court action believe the Constitution to be on their side. Therefore:

Activist Judge: one who rules against me.

Constitutional Conservative Judge: one who rules the way I like.

[Major Tom]

Because of O'Bamma Care, several friends of ours don't buy in to that nonsense. Yes, they pay the fee at tax time, BUT, it is much less than what O'Bamma Care would cost them.

[oscars]

So what happens if your buds have some sort o catastrophic health situation. Sounds to me that they are playing one big crap shoot. Those wonderful el cheapo policies that Trump is in love with don't cover squat. Of course, they could use the ER's as walk in clinics. Hey, I know, you could set up a Go Fund Me page.

[Vern Humphrey]

So what happens if your buds have some sort o catastrophic health situation. Sounds to me that they are playing one big crap shoot. Those wonderful el cheapo policies that Trump is in love with don't cover squat. Of course, they could use the ER's as walk in clinics. Hey, I know, you could set up a Go Fund Me page.

Hey, it's simple. If they have some sort of catastrophic health situation, they SIMPLY BUY INSURANCE THEN -- and it will cover the pre-existing condition!!

[JB White]

Of course, they could use the ER's as walk in clinics. Hey, I know, you could set up a Go Fund Me page.

They have been using ER's as clinics for a long time and still set up GFM pages whether ObamaCare is in place or not. So, what does that tell you about ObamaCare? Plenty of people in the health care field think Obamacare as a whole totally sucks.

They claimed it was a TAX to reimburse the insurance companies. That is how they sold the boondoggle to the SCOTUS. We pay more out of our pockets so corporations get paid for token coverage while the poor guy THINKS he's getting something for free.

[togor]

JB your point lacks perspective. It's a bit like saying that it rains in Boston and Miami both therefore there is no difference between the two in weather. Under ACA, the number of uninsured did drop, and the insurance they got wasn't some tissue paper coverage. National single payer is proven to work in other countries and is currently how most at this forum receive their health care. As a hybrid system Obamacare gets bracketed with fire from both sides, but it accomplished what it set out to do--get more people decent coverage. I find it remarkable how some think that basic goal is a terrible thing. And some who think that way claim to be for working people.

[Vern Humphrey]

They have been using ER's as clinics for a long time and still set up GFM pages whether ObamaCare is in place or not. So, what does that tell you about ObamaCare? Plenty of people in the health care field think Obamacare as a whole totally sucks.

They claimed it was a TAX to reimburse the insurance companies. That is how they sold the boondoggle to the SCOTUS. We pay more out of our pockets so corporations get paid for token coverage while the poor guy THINKS he's getting something for free.

Not quite. It was officially a FINE. Not unreasonably, people opposed to that abomination pointed out that you can't be fined without a trial and conviction. Our lunkheaded Chief Justice, bending over backward to warp the Constitution, said it could be considered a TAX.

Article I, Section 2, Clause 3: Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers

If it's a tax, it's a direct tax (the people pay it directly) and it is NOT apportioned among the several States

Amendment XVI: The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census of enumeration.

But it's NOT an income tax, either.

It is patently unconstitutional;!