This Brexit nonsense has gone on long enough ...

[dogtag]

If PM May can't get a good deal from the EU, then just
tell the EU to go ferk itself and Leave.
Leaving without a deal will hurt the EU more than it will
Britain. Britain does not have to put up with this never
ending crap and the sooner she cuts loose the sooner she
can get the immigration nightmare under control - although
it's probably too late for that - but at least stop the rot.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/7989416/theresa-may-slams-meddler-tony-blair-brexit/

[Major Tom]

I won't pretend to know anything about "Brexit". The name does sound kinda queer tho. But, it reminds me of our government.

[dogtag]

I won't pretend to know anything about "Brexit". The name does sound kinda queer tho. But, it reminds me of our government.

British Exit = Brexit

[togor]

Dogtag a hard Brexit puts a customs border up again between Ulster and the Irish Republic. Lack of that border was a big reason the Troubles subsided. You're thinking about this like a Little Englander from Newcastle or Coventry who could care less about any island but their own. I too hope for a hard, chaotic Brexit, but for different reasons than you.

[Vern Humphrey]

Northern Ireland (not "Ulster"), is a far different place than it was 20 years ago. For one thing, it is now a Catholic majority country. And if they don't like a border with Eire, they can simply vote to join Eire.

[togor]

LOL, tell that to the DUP!

And if they don't like a border with Eire, they can simply vote to join Eire.

So you flunked the History of Ireland class, I see. Yes, the losers would be expected to yield quietly, same as always. The Troubles ceased because the open border made the struggle a harder sell to ordinary people of both factions. And Kevin Phillips has referred to northern Ireland, with ample reason, as the most brutal battlefield in the history of the western world.

[Vern Humphrey]

Listen to the braying.

(By the way, I taught the History of Ireland class at the college level.)

[togor]

See the poor sport who just got caught out and owned on a subject that should have been in his wheelhouse. The Irish border is a major sticking point in Brexit. If you'd followed the issue at all then you would have known that. Ouch, that has to sting.

[RED]

LOL, tell that to the DUP!



So you flunked the History of Ireland class, I see. Yes, the losers would be expected to yield quietly, same as always. The Troubles ceased because the open border made the struggle a harder sell to ordinary people of both factions. And Kevin Phillips has referred to northern Ireland, with ample reason, as the most brutal battlefield in the history of the western world.

OK, what does the border between the Irish Republic and the Northern Irish member of Great Britain have to do with Brexit? Are you saying that the non-border, border, that divides the Irish Republic is why the Brit's voted in favor of leaving the EU? Or, are you saying the Brit's voted for Brexit because they wanted to erect a hard border between the two?

And so now Flanders Fields and Gallipoli were just skirmishes because some NPR political hack from New York says so?

Just more of your agitate, agitate, twist, and turn hate and burn. I hope Santa brings you a full case of HIV for Xmas

[m1ashooter]

Brexit is kinda like the Muller investigation. They both just seem to go on and on. I've got a friend in Wales and he said they are getting a bit miffed with the process.

[togor]

It appears that multiple forum members are unfamiliar with the Irish aspect of Brexit. Here is a nice Q&A.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-44615404

[S.A. Boggs]

It appears that multiple forum members are unfamiliar with the Irish aspect of Brexit. Here is a nice Q&A.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern...itics-44615404

"Taint in my corner no how!" There is a fix, have this part of the island returned to the rightful owners, simple enough.
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

"Taint in my corner no how!" There is a fix, have this part of the island returned to the rightful owners, simple enough.
Sam

And since Northern Ireland is now majority Catholic, that may well happen.

In fact, the long pole in the tent is the British welfare system. When that system was created in 1942, the British government recognized that Northern Ireland could not support their share of such a system. Ever since then, England has subsidized the Northern Ireland welfare system. The question is, will England continue to subsidize Northern Ireland now that it has a Catholic majority? If so, Northern Ireland may choose to remain in union with Great Britain. If not, they will likely join Eire.

[dogtag]

Ireland has been Catholic since the 16th century when they fled there fearing Elizabeth
would persecute them as Mary had persecuted the Protestants.

[Vern Humphrey]

Ireland has been Catholic since the 16th century when they fled there fearing Elizabeth
would persecute them as Mary had persecuted the Protestants.

Ireland has been Catholic since the Fifth Century. But Northern Ireland was Gerry-mandered to produce a protestant-majority state, and equipped with tools to keep it that way -- like the one vote per registered head of household. If you rented, you and your wife got one vote between you. But your landlord who paid the property taxes (with some of your rent money, of course) got an additional vote for each 10 pounds of tax he paid. Corporations got to vote, based in the book value of the corporation (the votes were case by the Board of Directors.)

Traditionally, Northern Ireland was assumed to be 2/3s Protestant, 1/3 Catholic. The census of 2001 (the first after the Good Friday Accords) was never fully released. Instead there was some mumbo-jumbo about how you can't tell a Protestant from a Catholic (funny, they seem to be able to when they're shooting at each other). The census of 2011 found 45% Catholic, 48% Protestant and stated that the Protestant population is decreasing, the Catholic population is increasing. In 2016, the Brexit vote in Northern Ireland favored staying in the EU, and was frankly admitted to be "sectarian" vote -- with Catholics voting to stay, Protestants voting to leave. For the first time in the history of Northern Ireland, Catholics out-voted Protestants.

The 2011 official census figures put the Protestant population at 48 per cent and Catholics at 45 per cent, while more recent figures from 2016 show 44 per cent of working age adults are Catholic and 40 per cent Protestant.

Both the major cities in Northern Ireland, Belfast and Derry, have Catholic majorities. By 2021, the census is expected to show a clear Catholic majority.