Five billion seems like a lot..

[S.A. Boggs]

back to the subject,

it is not about the money, 5 bill is a drop in the bucket compared to the money sent elsewhere,

matters not that Chucky was all for more border security years ago

also does not matter how many memes are posted or how long several of you snipe at each other (schoolgirls,,,,,)

what matters is Trump asked for it, so that makes it bad,

Demo's dug in their heels because of the President and refuse to cooperate. I don't see how much further "they" can go to the left without falling off the scale. It is no longer what is good for our nation but what is best for "their" party. Border security is not being considered, defeating the President and the people he represents appears to be their main goal.
No absurdity is too far fetched for the demo's to approach, no stone left unturned to further their ambition of returning to power. In human history this has occurred many ties going back to Biblical times. Our nation will survive but In a weakened state which apparently is all right with them. Every few years there are votes on paying for fire and medical service, some vote against the measures. No reason is given except that "they" don't want to pay taxes to support what is needed. Trump is trying to plug a leak in our ship of state and asking the Demo's for help in keeping the ship afloat. "Their" party is willing to let our ship sink rather then stop it and that is alarming.
Sam

[togor]

back to the subject,

it is not about the money, 5 bill is a drop in the bucket compared to the money sent elsewhere,

matters not that Chucky was all for more border security years ago

also does not matter how many memes are posted or how long several of you snipe at each other (schoolgirls,,,,,)

what matters is Trump asked for it, so that makes it bad,

What is Trump asking for? If you ask him, a literal concrete wall. If you ask Republicans, all kinds of things. This is part of the problem.

[lyman]

What is Trump asking for? If you ask him, a literal concrete wall. If you ask Republicans, all kinds of things. This is part of the problem.

you forget, the republicans don't really like him either,

by the way,


some are saying (on other sites) that CNN's Acosta has proved the wall works,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=FK80x46IWhg

[Mark in Ottawa]

I believe that it was US Senator Strom Thurman (Spelling) who said "A billion here, a billion there and pretty soon you are talking about real money"

[S.A. Boggs]

If illegal invaders are not repealed what eventually becomes of America? Do we continue to divert money into funding diseases that were once under control, what about the increase in crime, terrorist activity and more? I asked "our" two if they were personally going to sponsor one of the invader families and was met with deflection and stonewalling.
America is proclaimed as the great "melting pot", how long before the pot overflows and things start to smoke and burn? An illegal invader will work for less, what does that do to a lower class American Citizen who is then fired and replaced? Legal immigration is one thing, illegal invaders is another. "Our" great talkers are just that, "talkers" and nothing more so why should one take their speech as meaningful?
Illegal invaders are no more different then one who invades your home to take from you what you have acquired and must be treated accordingly. IMHO those who advocate for them are nothing more then willing accomplice's who should bear the price with them.
Sam

[togor]

you forget, the republicans don't really like him either,

by the way,


some are saying (on other sites) that CNN's Acosta has proved the wall works,

I thought things Acosta said were taken as proof....in the opposite direction!

Anyways, I think you would agree a big piece of the problem is Trump's negotiating style being ill-suited to the task at hand. The Democrats are willing to put up more for the border, and no one has said that they way they would spend it would be ineffective. It's just that it's not a big splashy wall. Trump has an easy pivot here if he wants it, but he has consistently refused to take that path. He has resolved to make this not about border security, but about his standing as a Big Cheese. In other words, where a more strategically thinking politician might take the win on border funds, even if the credit flows elsewhere, Trump has made this about himself, his "absolute right", to use his words, to call the shots here. People understand political power struggles, but they expect them to be kept within limits. By tying up commercial air traffic along with other government functions, Trump is showing that he doesn't care about limits. At some point the GOP will get off the sidelines in Congress and the shutdown will end.

[lyman]

I thought things Acosta said were taken as proof....in the opposite direction!

Anyways, I think you would agree a big piece of the problem is Trump's negotiating style being ill-suited to the task at hand. The Democrats are willing to put up more for the border, and no one has said that they way they would spend it would be ineffective. It's just that it's not a big splashy wall. Trump has an easy pivot here if he wants it, but he has consistently refused to take that path. He has resolved to make this not about border security, but about his standing as a Big Cheese. In other words, where a more strategically thinking politician might take the win on border funds, even if the credit flows elsewhere, Trump has made this about himself, his "absolute right", to use his words, to call the shots here. People understand political power struggles, but they expect them to be kept within limits. By tying up commercial air traffic along with other government functions, Trump is showing that he doesn't care about limits. At some point the GOP will get off the sidelines in Congress and the shutdown will end.

Trump is a CEO, who became president

he is used to snapping a finger or making a comment and stuff is done,
deals made both over and under the table,


DC is not a boardroom, far from it, the political machinations are way different,

TDC had taken over the Dims, and a portion of the R's, so it will be a stagnating pile until someone makes the right move.

[Allen]

CNN's Acosta has proved the wall works,

I read that too. It is kind of being kept hush hush and not broadcasted 24/7 like when the dow takes a dip or ocasio-cortez makes one of her daily dumba$$ retarded comments.

I don't know if he means it (or care) or is trying to make amends for his asinine stunt at the WH a couple weeks ago but he is in a lot of heat with his communist news network now.

[togor]

Trump is a CEO, who became president

he is used to snapping a finger or making a comment and stuff is done,
deals made both over and under the table,


DC is not a boardroom, far from it, the political machinations are way different,

All true, and I will add that the business was marketing his own name, literally putting it on structures. That plays a role in how he looks at this.

[Roadkingtrax]

All true, and I will add that the business was marketing his own name, literally putting it on structures. That plays a role in how he looks at this.

I often thought during the campaign that his desire for a wall, was less to do with border security, and more of a "I built this".

The precedent of national emergency powers will no doubt rear its ugly head when the 2nd Amendment comes under attack in force.

[S.A. Boggs]

Because of no wall, how many more Americans will die because of NO WALL NANCY? How many cops will die on the line because of NO WALL NANCY? One would think that NO WALL NANCY has a financial stake in letting drugs over the border. Is it possible that for financial reasons instead of party reasons NO WALL NANCY is stonewalling? She is a rich woman, just where did some of her money come from?
Sam

[togor]

I often thought during the campaign that his desire for a wall, was less to do with border security, and more of a "I built this".

The precedent of national emergency powers will no doubt rear its ugly head when the 2nd Amendment comes under attack in force.

Which is why the prospect of an emergency declaration makes a good many Conservatives uneasy. The unitary executive is in tension with the principles of limited government and separation of powers with checks and balances. Also cutting against the grain of the security narrative is the fact that the DHS has a good many people on furlough during the shutdown, and many of the rest are on without pay. It's hard demonstrate that you're on the side of security when you shut down the agency that has that as its function.

[S.A. Boggs]

Which is why the declaration makes a good many Conservatives uneasy. The unitary executive is in tension with the principles of limited government and separation of powers with checks and balances. Also cutting against the grain of the security narrative is the fact that the DHS has a good many people on furlough during the shutdown, and many of the rest are on without pay. It's hard demonstrate that you're on the side of security when you shut down the agency that has that as its function.

Would you prefer what President Lincoln did to protect the nation?
Sam

[lyman]

All true, and I will add that the business was marketing his own name, literally putting it on structures. That plays a role in how he looks at this.

I'm sure he has dreamed of putting TRUMP WALL in big gold lights across the top

[Vern Humphrey]

Note post #22. Somebody doesn't know the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.