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I just researched this and now I'm more pissed off then before. Our members of DHS and others are working and not being paid. I no longer want to hear that they should have saved and will get their back pay etc. That's now a moot point. If you are on SNAP or welfare as we used to call it, your tax payer handouts were deposited for January and February. After that they might not be paid if the shutdown continues. So has this been done to sooth the savage beast and keep them calm so they will not take to the streets and rob and loot? Probably so. What would happen if all the members of the Border Patrol, ICE, USCG and the air traffic controllers just didn't show up to work? Chaos would occur and people would die. Maybe that is exactly what needs to happen.
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So your recommendation is that all those employed by ICE, BP, TSA, etc., go looking for jobs in fast food? Very sensible.
Trump is now stirring up more hatred not only for himself, but all Repubs, than anything else he's ever done. For ex., grocery stores will feel the loss as much as the SNAP recipients.
And all for what? To "break the will" of the most radical left-wing House in US history, cause them to cave in on the Wall? It's insane to think this will work, when every day that it continues, more middle of the road voters turn Democratic. The longer it lasts, the more the Dems like it.Comment
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CH may be right. There certainly seems to be an element of "ball-breaking" (as in who will break whose) that has come to the forefront here.Comment
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How is any of this Trumps fault? Some of you guys sound like a bunch of liberals. Trump made his demands CLEAR about the wall before the budget ever expired. The dimwits don't want to negotiate due to losing voters--a wall is the absolute last thing they want even if it aids to the security of our nation. As I always said Mexico would end up paying for the wall through NAFTA adjustments. Now, that is exactly what Trump is saying about the "new deal". He should present this (if true) in his speeches.
While I don't believe some of these jobs should be funded by a budget that is negotiated twice or more each year, they are and we can't change that. Jobs that support any type of security should be funded with that of the military I feel.
Constantly negotiated budgets should be that of programs that do NOT give back or support the nation such as welfare and foreign aid. For some reason though this seems to be sacred ground and never addressed. This "excess" money is nothing but a gift and should be subject to discussion, not the budget that supports America and it's people.Comment
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Trump's right, but he's going to lose the shutdown fight because
the American people are too dumb to see the big picture. All
they hear is the sobbing and all they see is the media hype.Comment
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Because he waited to apply any significant political pressure until it was too late, until it was in fact IMPOSSIBLE. On the day the Dems took control of the House with new members far more radical than the old ones, it became IMPOSSIBLE. Why can't you & others understand that this is a WINNING issue for the Dems precisely because Trump boasted about his willingness to cause a shutdown.
Who do you think all the people adversely effected are blaming for their troubles, the Dems who won't build a wall, or Trump for causing this mess? Does Pelosi's planned trip to Afghan sound like the Dems are worried? Every day that it drags on earns more support for THEM. What's the point of blaming it on the "stupidity" of US voters (which is certainly true, but irrelevant)? Isn't that stupidity a political factor that should have been carefully considered before causing this mess?Comment
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Not so fast... the bill to build the wall would have never made it to Trump's desk. The Republicans can be said to have had a majority in both houses but Trump didn't. Corker, McCain, Flake, Amash, Romney, Snow, Sasse, Comstock, Sanford, Heller, and yes Graham, etc. would have made sure that the wall was a non starter.
If you want to play the blame game, look at the reality of the situation and Trump has never had a majority in either house prior to the November election. In order to get anything done he has to get help from at least a few Democrats. Take Barr for example. Trump knew that a real Conservative would never be confirmed so he looked for a guy that would be hard for the Dems to reject. Looking forward, the replacement for Ginsberg, my bet would be that he picks another "moderate," for the job.Last edited by RED; 01-19-2019, 01:51.Comment
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Well red ... perhaps he shouldn't have made it a point to embarrass, ridicule , and insult so many people... the FBI, CIA , Military and Law enforcement.... Blacks , Hispanics, every on of our allies {while defending the likes of Russia} and every politian on earth ours or otherwise. If he hadn't.... maybe more would have been willing to work with him....
Diplomacy works better than a failed claim to be the "greatest negotiator" .... that should be obvious to us all by now......Comment
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There's no need for that kind of talk. You can make your point without being gratuitously offensive.Originally posted by Maus45Comment
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