Believe it or not ... I sympathize with Trump on this .....

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  • Sandpebble
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2017
    • 2196

    #1

    Believe it or not ... I sympathize with Trump on this .....

    The criticism from the right on his inability to be the "Negotiator in Chief" and get his 5.7 Billion wall money ... is what I sympathize with him over

    Very convenient now to blame the Dems but where was the Right over the past two years ...? Even they couldn't get together over the past two years and get it done .

    Now this is where the likes of Red will jump in and claim its because of ..."RINOS".... not sure I even believe in such a thing as RINOS

    Whatever a RINO is..... he ain't a Democrat.... the Right didn't get the wall done anymore than they fixed health care .

    The Right now has temerity to criticize Trump ..... read Ann Coulter .... or has she now become " Fake News " ??

    Problem for us all now is that a man like Trump will now make important decisions influenced by his fear of criticism from the likes of Ann .... know what I'm saying ?

    So yes... I sympathize with Trump on this ...... but not as much as I sympathize with all of us......
  • dryheat
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 10587

    #2
    What has happened to you?
    If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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    • clintonhater
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2015
      • 5220

      #3
      Originally posted by Sandpebble
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      Very convenient now to blame the Dems but where was the Right over the past two years ...? Even they couldn't get together over the past two years and get it done .
      They threw away their one & only chance. Trying to get it done with the Dems in control of the House was sheer foolishness, merely providing Nancy with an opportunity to crow about who backed down.

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      • togor
        Banned
        • Nov 2009
        • 17610

        #4
        Knifing Obamacare and getting the tax cuts were the top priorities. Trump has a habit of picking things that are popular with the base but not the population at large, and then he leaves them to others to get it done, and he wonders why the results are what they are? My sympathies are somewhat limited.
        Last edited by togor; 01-28-2019, 03:00.

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        • Sandpebble
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2017
          • 2196

          #5
          Originally posted by clintonhater
          They threw away their one & only chance. Trying to get it done with the Dems in control of the House was sheer foolishness, merely providing Nancy with an opportunity to crow about who backed down.
          And..... who did back down ?

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          • Sako
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 654

            #6
            Trump hasn't backed off at all, Trump is feeding out the rope for all of the people that disagree with the wall to hang themselves with. A swift and sure decision will come from The President and he will tweet like a canary on steroids when it happens.

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            • dryheat
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 10587

              #7
              I don't think Mr. Trump ever backs down. He may make some mistakes because he's new at this. Three weeks, that's supposed to be it. The wall is symbolic. It may be his Waterloo, but he is riding the horse he chose. It's a big dumb horse. I'd like to see him or someone take on Brussels or the World Court or Soros(if there really is such a person)and take it to the proverbial World Supreme Court that is maybe overseen by Big Bird or The Big Purple guy(yeah, I hate Sesame st.) and say, No, we're not doing this.

              Trump has a habit of picking things that are popular with the base but not the population at large-
              Which means? Let me answer that: The base being people who think? The population at large being the day-time television watchers?
              I'm not 100% on any of that myself.
              Last edited by dryheat; 01-29-2019, 10:11.
              If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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              • togor
                Banned
                • Nov 2009
                • 17610

                #8
                The thing about an emergency declaration is that it could be undeclared by the next holder of the office while the matter is still tied up in court. An act of Congress is much much more durable.

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                • Roadkingtrax
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 7835

                  #9
                  Originally posted by togor
                  The thing about an emergency declaration is that it could be undeclared by the next holder of the office while the matter is still tied up in court. An act of Congress is much much more durable.
                  Hard to declare what was barely mentioned in yesterday's intelligence briefing. Not much of a threat I guess.
                  "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                  • clintonhater
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2015
                    • 5220

                    #10
                    Originally posted by togor
                    The thing about an emergency declaration is that it could be undeclared by the next holder of the office while the matter is still tied up in court. An act of Congress is much much more durable.
                    Like every other one of Trump's executive orders, it would IMMEDIATELY be declared unconstitutional by one of the many left wing federal courts.

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                    • togor
                      Banned
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 17610

                      #11
                      Originally posted by clintonhater
                      Like every other one of Trump's executive orders, it would IMMEDIATELY be declared unconstitutional by one of the many left wing federal courts.
                      I was thinking that land taking would be challenged in court by the landowners. It's also possible Trump would try to push the declaration further than the law allows. Trump likes to push the bounds of legality as a strategy because running into resistance in the courts supports his narrative that judges are standing in his way. But even you would have a red line, say if Trump ordered widespread gun confiscation. You'd want judicial pushback. Trump picks fights with judges as a matter of tactics.

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