Trump v. obama, "The Great Experiment"

[Bodyman]

In my experience today, it is truly rare to find neutral political analysis or commentary, especially in these vitriolic times. This article is wonderful, relatively short, and offers perspective without the sharp edges. I found it refreshing to see a detached commentary without grinding opinion. I would love to hear what you guys say about it. Here is a snip-it from half way thru;

"Over eight years, Obama had institutionalized, to the degree any president can, his left-wing agendas. By January 2017, American culture and the economy at home and foreign policy abroad reflected Obama’s values: pathways to abortion on demand, radical gun control, tribalism, and democratic socialism. What Obama started in 2009 would be completed and institutionalized by 2024 with the completion of Hillary Clinton’s second term. Whether one liked such a scenario hinged on whether one liked what America was from 1776 to 2009 — or whether one preferred what America could really become after 2009.

Then came the unforeseen nomination, election, and governance of Donald J. Trump."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...mpare-results/

There is an old Chinese saying; 'May you live in interesting times'. That we certainly do, my friends, ... that we do.

[lyman]

another good snippet


Antidote One, of unapologetic progressivism under Obama, did not lead to an economically robust and growing America, one safer abroad in a more secure world, and more cohesive, united, and stable at home — at least if that truly was the leftist agenda rather than the more hushed opposite goal of more equal but poorer Americans, America as just another nation among many, and a cultural revolution aimed at accentuating rather than assimilating race, class, and gender identities.

[S.A. Boggs]

Obama continues to circle the globe with is "I" agenda, hoping to continue to be meaningful. President Trump has changed America in positive ways that the socialists hate. Nancy and Chuckie are steamed that the Republic is turning sharply away from their agenda and subsequently their power. Power to this two is financial for their families with "perks" from private concerns to curry favors. The fly in the ointment are the actual socialists, not the Play for Pay Bernie type. With the agenda of 70-90% tax rates this will rile the big money boys who bought Nancy and Chuckie...these two have a smoldering rebellion in their party.
Sam

[togor]

My barrel index went up a good bit during the Obama years, and whereas he saw nothing the law that would allow a bump stock ban, Trump did. Make of those observations what you will. Regarding the economy, the recovery, which set a record for the longest one under Trump, did not start under him, just as the recession, which deepened in the first years of the Obama administration, did not start under him. As for assimilating race identities, I see no appetite here for that, except in the literal sense where Chinese or Mexican food may be a forum-member favorite. So is the writing quoted by the OP neutral? In tone perhaps, but hardly content.

[Bodyman]

I was waiting, ...

I think you are missing the forest for all the trees. Why bother with a part when the goal is that you are so contemptible that you could never be worthy to own the whole, ...

What I call the 'warm blanket of liberalism' tells you that you are brilliant because you agree - and so many wrap it around their shoulders and are warmed by it. It doesn't really want you to do the analysis - in fact, you aren't supposed to because you might not agree, ... heaven forbid. At which point they will pull that blanket from you and throw you out in the cold (with us here - welcome!).

I still find the article incredibly and refreshingly neutral, and unbiased - it allows that today's conservativism could fail just as hideously - we will just have to see. Perhaps, like so many when the bright light is on the obama era, you just don't really agree with it all as much as thought you did. Don't minimize it - own it. Then learn from it. But that is a big leap, and too big for many - they miss their warm blankie, ... and not having to think but instead feel their way thru these difficult issues (MHO).

There was no way to make the rest of the world equal until you brought the United States down from the top. Or as the article states; "Antidote One, of unapologetic progressivism under Obama, did not lead to an economically robust and growing America, one safer abroad in a more secure world, and more cohesive, united, and stable at home — at least if that truly was the leftist agenda rather than the more hushed opposite goal of more equal but poorer Americans, America as just another nation among many, and a cultural revolution aimed at accentuating rather than assimilating race, class, and gender identities."

You cannot have even the pretense of the first goal without the second hideously unpalatable one unless you prefer the rest of the world and despise or just don't care about the people you supposedly serve (he was a 'public servant') here at home. Take it as far as you wish but this will be obama's legacy as far as I am concerned, ... he didn't care about the United States at all and as such he despised me for doing so.

Sorry, hope that wasn't too harsh.

AMHO Best all.

[S.A. Boggs]

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Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

When the Nazis start defending Obama, you see them -- and him -- for what they really are.

[togor]

It's no defense of Obama to clarify misrepresentations of simple facts about the economy or bump stocks. I'd argue that misinformation is the greater enemy.

[lyman]

Presidents always get the blame for the economy,
Bush lost because it (what was Slick Willie's slogan??)

I'll agree with the bump stocks, with the Caveat that if Obama\Holder and a few others had their way, we would not have had anything to put them on,


as much as the R's like to scream they are pro gun, they have done a lot that was not, (Hughes Amendment, Bush Ist ban on imports, to name a couple)

[RED]

My barrel index went up a good bit during the Obama years, and whereas he saw nothing the law that would allow a bump stock ban,

The old peppermint twister is at it again...

There is no such thing thing as a "barrel index," and nobody here cares how many barrels of pee, hog poop, or dill pickles you may have bought from 2008 to 2017. If by chance you mean you bought a gun(s) during the anti-gun administration how was that relative to the anti gun President. and the bill is total meaningless. As far as the economy goes there was a Stock Market correction that was global and it was over by March 2018. Now Obummer claims he saved the country when in fact the world's markets started a run at that time and Obummer didn't have a damn thing to do with the rebound. Shovel ready fake jobs and cash for junkers didn't bring back he world's markets.

Now you are claiming Trump is anti-gun, Cheezzzeeeus.

[Roadkingtrax]

Now you are claiming Trump is anti-gun, Cheezzzeeeus.

Claim?

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...process-second

“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida ... to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.

“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.

Trump was responding to comments from Vice President Pence that families and local law enforcement should have more tools to report potentially dangerous individuals with weapons.

“Allow due process so no one’s rights are trampled, but the ability to go to court, obtain an order and then collect not only the firearms but any weapons,” Pence said.

"Or, Mike, take the firearms first, and then go to court," Trump responded.

[togor]

The old peppermint twister is at it again...

There is no such thing thing as a "barrel index,"

Maybe a regional thing, but I would think the term is self-explanatory. In the upper midwest, particularly WI/MN (which is what I know best), "cylinder index" was something a local radio guy came up with years ago. Total number of cylinders a guy had in cars, trucks, mowers, ATVs, chain saws, leaf blowers, snowmobiles, etc. Equal parts brag and lament (because you're ready for anything, but have to keep them all running, or figure out what to do with the dead ones). "Barrel index" shouldn't be a hard extrapolation for anyone.

To say that the Treasury Department and the Fed didn't have to make some tough calls back in '09 is to overlook a lot, Red. It's a bit like saying that the US Airways Miracle on the Hudson was not that big a deal because no one died.

[S.A. Boggs]

Presidents always get the blame for the economy,
Bush lost because it (what was Slick Willie's slogan??)

I'll agree with the bump stocks, with the Caveat that if Obama\Holder and a few others had their way, we would not have had anything to put them on,


as much as the R's like to scream they are pro gun, they have done a lot that was not, (Hughes Amendment, Bush Ist ban on imports, to name a couple)

Obama gave America an example of what not to be, a shining example of negative action. Many here applaud Obama due to the limited ability in their life and can identify with Obama. Barry reminds me of a drug dealer that got arrested and gave a simple answer. A reporter asked if the dealer was also a user, "F**k no, it's called dope for a reason." Same for Barry and his followers with the same reasoning. Following a person who uses an alias, very little is know about Barry and what is know is deplorable. I always thought that "Jimmy who?" was an inept President, Barry has Jimmy beat by a country mile!
Sam

[1563621]

Barry will go down as the worst. I thought Jimmy was at the top of the list also, not so! There is much to be unveiled about his background! One day it will come out!

[Allen]

Barry will go down as the worst. I thought Jimmy was at the top of the list also, not so! There is much to be unveiled about his background! One day it will come out!

Jimmy was on the top. Now like you say obama is there. Time will tell not only about obama's background and his true intentions for America but also those who were part of the conspiracy to place him in office and falsify his records. No doubt soros had a part in it. Time will also reveal his illegality not only as a citizen but as a president. One thing obama and Carter share was both were complete unheard of's before the election. That in itself raises red flags about how legitimate the elections were.