Squeaky demonstrates her brilliance

[barretcreek]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-14/bezos-pulls-out-amazon-scraps-plan-ny-hq2

25-40 thousand jobs out in one decision. That'll play well at election time.

[blackhawknj]

Jeff Bezos is an evil capitalist who exploits the working class.

[Vern Humphrey]

They're eating their own children!

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Straight out of the 25 Points of the Nazi Party:

16 We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalisation of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small trades people, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

[clintonhater]

Jeff Bezos is an evil capitalist who exploits the working class.

Which doesn't conflict with being the left-wing owner of the radical Washington Post, & one of Trump's most bitter critics. It's wonderful to see in-fighting among the Dems.

[S.A. Boggs]

They're eating their own children!

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Straight out of the 25 Points of the Nazi Party:

The NSAWP is a party of privilege for the higher up's and will continue to use their base. Similar to a pyramid scheme in ideation, more suckers need to be taken in with the promise of quick riches. Since I blocked "our" Nazi's their response to me will be immaterial and for other's quite distasteful!
Sam

[togor]

Normally I would think this crowd would be strongly against giving lavish taxpayer subsidies in exchange for corporate sites that may or may not hold up their end of the bargain. But I suppose if AOC is for something, then the knee-jerk reflex needs to be against it. If you look at the Foxconn situation, the amount of money being offered by the government as tax breaks in exchange for each promised worker (promises that are already being rolled back on the excuse of changing market conditions), it's practically a guaranteed income program.

Then there is the blight of big-box stores and distribution centers, often located in rural areas, that demand local tax breaks up front, run for 10 years, and shut down, leaving useless shells behind that no one wants. It is not wrong for taxpayers to conclude that this game isn't working in their favor.

[clintonhater]

Normally I would think this crowd would be strongly against giving lavish taxpayer subsidies in exchange for corporate sites that may or may not hold up their end of the bargain.

Especially when the deal is worked out in secret between two extreme left-wingers, the radical mayor of NYC & the "richest man in the world." The only thing that stopped him from buying the land & building whatever he wanted on it was his greed for tax handouts.

[lyman]

step back and look at it from a business perspective,

bezos and who knows how many other companies (walmart etc) have a pile of accountants, lobbyist, property managers and most importantly, publicists\social media folks that hunt for this stuff, and know how to work the system,

surely happens with both R's and D's as well as independents,

[Vern Humphrey]

Dumb question. A man comes to down and says, "I'm going to bring thousands of jobs to your community -- all good-paying jobs. How much taxes do I owe you?"

I would say, "If you do that, you've already done more than 99.9999% of the people in this town. Why should we expect you to pay MORE?"

[CJCulpeper]

Especially when the deal is worked out in secret between two extreme left-wingers, the radical mayor of NYC & the "richest man in the world." The only thing that stopped him from buying the land & building whatever he wanted on it was his greed for tax handouts.

That's what masters do to the serfs. We aren't supposed to know. We are just expected to work.


The Outline of History: Being a Plain History of Life and Mankind, page 339 by H. G. Wells

... A point to note about this early socialism of Owen’s is that it was not at first at all “democratic.” Its initiative was benevolent, its early form patriarchal; it was something up to which the workers were to be educated by liberally disposed employers and leaders. The first socialism was not a worker’s movement; it was a master’s movement. ...


It is still a masters' movement.

[Bodyman]

To continue that line of thinking, ...

Dumb question. A man comes to down and says, "I'm going to bring thousands of jobs to your community -- all good-paying jobs. How much taxes do I owe you?"

I would say, "If you do that, you've already done more than 99.9999% of the people in this town. Why should we expect you to pay MORE?"

Along those lines, a locally owned/staffed business (an economic dollar weight to the local economy of 10 to 50 fold over a non-locally owned entity) is run out of town by ever increasing and expensive randomly enforced regulations and pressures, et al (read kickbacks and bribes) and all those local jobs move away. Now all the residents of this 'business is the enemy', 'never met a tax I didn't like', liberal utopia pay ever increasing rates on everything from real property to fuel and food and even on their cell phone while they must earn that money somewhere else. You would think these local businesses would be prized not for just keeping everyone's tax share down, but that the tree-hugging, greenie-weenie, SUV haters would love these locally owned/manned businesses even more so for keeping everyone's 'carbon footprint' to a minimum, but unfortunately they really don't think that deeply (and once in power could give a shiest unless they can line their own pocket, ... sorry that was opinion with a side of contempt sneaking in there again).

The salt in the wound is that anyone who wants to leave gets an extra 'exit' tax if they sell their home when they try to move somewhere better, ... and anyone who can (afford to) make a difference in these sorry situations, finally gives up in disgust, bites the bullet and leaves, ...

Best all, ...

Question becomes, where do I go?

[Clark Howard]

I suspect that her "Prime" account has been cancelled.

[Mark in Ottawa]

According to an acquaintance who lives in Manhattan, the big issue was that Amazon wanted tax rebates and subsidies of $3 Billion. He says that by contrast, Google set up in NY without anything like that kind of taxpayer support. He also pointed out that Amazon regularly threatens Seattle with moving out if they don't give Amazon any and every tax break or policy change that they want and that NY did not want to be subjected to that type of behavior.

These things are never simple and in my view one of the big problems with trying to attract big companies is that they play one city off against the other trying to suck the most money out of the poor taxpayer. The best approach would be for the cities to get together and refuse to play that game (fat chance of that happening though)

[dryheat]

That's kind of the way I feel about it. Knowing next to nothing about complex business. But why does the "richest man in the world" and one of the biggest companies in the world need tax breaks anyway?
Kind of reminds me of the ball teams. We want a brand new shiny stadium or we are moving out. That kind of attitude rubs me the wrong way.
But then, if Occasionally Crazy is for it I'm agin' it.

[Vern Humphrey]

According to an acquaintance who lives in Manhattan, the big issue was that Amazon wanted tax rebates and subsidies of $3 Billion. He says that by contrast, Google set up in NY without anything like that kind of taxpayer support. He also pointed out that Amazon regularly threatens Seattle with moving out if they don't give Amazon any and every tax break or policy change that they want and that NY did not want to be subjected to that type of behavior.

And so New York shot itself in the foot.

Let me point out that if Amazon paid merely ONE CENT in taxes, that is one cent MORE than New York is getting now. Plus the taxes all those highly-paid employees would pay -- which ain't gonna happen now.

Once again, I say -- if a business is going to bring jobs and prosperity, WHY should we demand they pay taxes? Haven't they already done enough for the rest of us?