Socialized Electricity Plants Closing

[togor]

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...plants-1170008

State-owned enterprises the world over often fail to make good business decisions because politicians interfere. The interference this time was not enough to keep some inefficient old plants operating. So some good news for ratepayers and the environment at the same time.

[Sandpebble]

Seems Trumps own appointees couldn't stand with him on the folly of hanging on to those dinosaurs .....

coal miners might not be happy.... but then, maybe they'll get a subsidy like the farmers and continue to vote Trump

[Sandpebble]

Well.... I knew this one was going to be another cricket chirper ....

What was more hurtfull guys.... Trump using our tax dollars to buy farmers votes.... or my implication he might do the same for coal miners ...??

[togor]

"It's not Socialism if it benefits me!"

[Bill D]

Farm subsidies far outdated Trump and were started by Democrats.

[Vern Humphrey]

Farm subsidies far outdated Trump and were started by Democrats.

Amen.

It was Roosevelt who had farmers plow under every third row -- to raise food prices.

Think of that -- in a nation of breadlines and soup kitchens, he took action to RAISE food prices!

[S.A. Boggs]

Amen.

It was Roosevelt who had farmers plow under every third row -- to raise food prices.

Think of that -- in a nation of breadlines and soup kitchens, he took action to RAISE food prices!

Let them eat cake! Does ethanol in gas sound familiar? Remember all the benefits if ethanol was put into gas?
Sam

[Roadkingtrax]

Let them eat cake! Does ethanol in gas sound familiar? Remember all the benefits if ethanol was put into gas?
Sam

You don't know who Henry Ford was?

[S.A. Boggs]

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Sam

[Bill D]

Crickets chirping!

[Sandpebble]

this may be true ...

Farm subsidies far outdated Trump and were started by Democrats.

That may be so Bill.... does that now allows us to feel OK about Trump purchasing votes with farm subsidies ? we aren't talking about the past... we're talking now.

[pcox]

I like farm subsidies, I doubt any of us could feed ourselves in the manner to which we've become accustomed.

[Vern Humphrey]

I like farm subsidies, I doubt any of us could feed ourselves in the manner to which we've become accustomed.

I don't. When I was running for Congress in '04 I found my opponent, who sat on the House Agriculture Committee pushed through an "emergency" bill which netted him, personally, over $80,000. Now since all his land was in the Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) that leads to the question, what kind of emergency makes it necessary to give farmers money to NOT grow anything?

[Vern Humphrey]

Added:

I recommend reading, The Time it Never Rained by Elmer Kelton. This is about a prolonged drought in West Texas in the 1950s.

With farm subsidies, a farmer had to have an allotment from the government to grow cotton. If he didn't plant cotton, he lost his allotment. But during the drought, the cotton would not sprout, and the farmers knew their crops would not "make." They were caught in a nut-cracker -- plant a crop that wouldn't make, and go broke, or not plant and lose their allotments, and thereby lose their future livelihoods. Most farmers were forced to sell their land.

Big Agribusiness snapped up the land cheaply, and the cotton allotments along with it. Now cotton allotments are not tied to a specific piece of land -- so they simply planted the equivalent acreage in irrigated land they already owned (but didn't have allotments for.)

[togor]

Hell showing signs of freezing over with Sandpebble, Vernon and togor being more or less on the same side of an issue. Especially the big agribusiness part. Our beef is raised by a guy we know and processed locally. I would never buy a box of grocery store patties with that God-knows-what-is-in-it pink goo mixed in.