Last Democratic President.

[S.A. Boggs]

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Sam

[blackhawknj]

All too true.

[dogtag]

I've got one of those, SP1 (no forward assist) (Air Force)
I've always wondered why if a round proves difficult to chamber
you would want to ram it in and maybe cause an impossible jam.

Oh, and it's Democrat, not democratic.

[togor]

DT, correcting Boggs is like drinking from a spittoon--once you start it can be hard to stop.

[Mike-B]

J.F.K. was an NRA member who was murdered by an a.c.l.u. member. The democrats would shun J.F.K. now as too conservative.

[dryheat]

I have little experience with the AR-15(I do own a Bushmaster/Model one build up). But agree with DT; And assist? Sounds crippled. But then again, if you have it and don't need it...but you shouldn't need it in the first place. So, do you feel lucky punk?

[Vern Humphrey]

The problem is, the early M16s did need the forward assist. A little grit or fouling could cause the bolt to hang up before locking. An automatic bang on the forward assist with the heel of your hand when you chambered a round took care of that.

[dogtag]

The problem is, the early M16s did need the forward assist. A little grit or fouling could cause the bolt to hang up before locking. An automatic bang on the forward assist with the heel of your hand when you chambered a round took care of that.

As the early troubles were caused by faulty ammo,
faulty ammo + forward assist = "Oh sh!t"

[Allen]

None of this was necessary when rifles were built correctly. Then along comes an unproven plastic and pot metal toy that shoots ammo with a projectile the size of a BB.. Then take up all the real weapons and give, sell, or loan them to foreign countries (what wasn't destroyed) leaving our troops basically defenseless, many of them found dead in their foxholes with loaded, jammed M-16's. It has always sounded like sabotage to me.

[Vern Humphrey]

As the early troubles were caused by faulty ammo,
faulty ammo + forward assist = "Oh sh!t"

No. While the powder produced more fouling (because it was not the powder the gun was tested with), rifles got filthy in the jungle -- and originally, no cleaning kits were issued. A dirty rifle would hang up, regardless of the powder used.

[dogtag]

You're right - they forgot to issue cleaning kits.

For want of a nail, the shoe was lost;
For want of the shoe, the horse was lost;
For want of the horse, the rider was lost;
For want of the rider, the battle was lost;
For want of the battle, the kingdom was lost;
And all from the want of a CLEANING KIT.

[Vern Humphrey]

Exactly right -- although they didn't "forget" -- they actively decided not to issue them. At first we had no cleaning kits, no manual, nada.

[blackhawknj]

Doesn't help when troops train on one weapon stateside then are issued a completely different one in-country.
I never liked the permanently welded gas tube of the M-16, the system of the M-1/M-14 far superior. There was the problem of one manufacturer using a different powder that produced too much carbon buildup, but a military weapon should not be that ammo sensitive. In wartime you often have to use what a manufacturer can provide, not what you'd like.

[Vern Humphrey]

Doesn't help when troops train on one weapon stateside then are issued a completely different one in-country.
I never liked the permanently welded gas tube of the M-16, the system of the M-1/M-14 far superior. There was the problem of one manufacturer using a different powder that produced too much carbon buildup, but a military weapon should not be that ammo sensitive. In wartime you often have to use what a manufacturer can provide, not what you'd like.

Exactly right. Wartime production problems often result in stressing quantity over quality. And when you adopt a weapon that has to have perfect ammunition, you're setting yourself up to fail.

[dogtag]

Doesn't help when troops train on one weapon stateside then are issued a completely different one in-country.
I never liked the permanently welded gas tube of the M-16, the system of the M-1/M-14 far superior. There was the problem of one manufacturer using a different powder that produced too much carbon buildup, but a military weapon should not be that ammo sensitive. In wartime you often have to use what a manufacturer can provide, not what you'd like.

A forgiving chamber