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Airplanes are becoming far too complex to fly. Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT. I see it all the time in many products. Always seeking to go one unnecessary step further, when often old and simpler is far better. Split second decisions are....
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As someone who works in this field--electronics--I agree with him, that the kids are taking automation too far without understanding what they are doing. -
The irony here is we've seen Airbus chastised for having flight envelope protections, in particular on Air France 447. That accident was compounded by a malfunction in the pitot-static system.
Old Eastern Airlines joke, "How many pilots does it take to change a lightbulb?""The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman -
Just like modern cars - every system is run by a computer.
You can't fix them yourself and in a few short years they'll be in the scrap yard.
None of them will be collectible for when their computers are no longer made, they're junk.Comment
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So now our Scientist, Medical Doctor, Psychiatrist, and Climate expert, with PHD's in geology, History, botany, and all time champion mind reader, and magician, is now an Aeronautical Engineer and a IT expert. He he knows beyond a doubt what caused 2 crashes in 10's of thousands of flights by 100's of airplanes over a space of years. He is 100% positive it is a complete design flaw and that both planes suffered the same problem... Eyewitnesses said the Ethiopian plane was smoking and loosing pieces of the plane before it crashed... that's obviously a computer failure, right?
Flying in a 737 Max is statistically safer then riding a bicycle or dying from a lightening strike. So we need to ruin several airlines, bankrupt Boeing, and put thousands of pilots out of work, strand thousands of passengers in strange places... and no body knows what caused two crashes by 3rd world airlines with questionable standards for their pilots... No U.S. crashes, no British, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Canadian, French, German, or Italian crashes.. Hummmm seems a bit tilted to me.
And no, "kids," aren't designing Airplanes and their computer systems that cause airplanes to smoke and loose pieces while flying.
JMHOhttps://globalnews.ca/news/5042552/ethiopian-airlines-crash-search-remains-investigators-cause/Comment
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Last edited by Roadkingtrax; 03-13-2019, 02:55."The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. UllmanComment
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I for one would rather ride a bicycle than fly on a 737 max even
though, as Red says, I'd be risking my life.Comment
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When I first heard about the latest crash I thought the officials were coming down on Boeing too quickly. The investigation hasn't really even began and many things can obviously bring down a plane, especially human error. Then I heard about numerous pilots many from the U.S. complaining about the auto pilot and other avionics malfunctioning and it was only on these models so probably better safe than sorry to ground them. Hopefully it won't be for long and Boeing's reputation and stock will recover soon. Just my 2 cents worth and I would still rather fly on a Boeing than an Airbus.Comment
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Boeing PR was caught flat-footed by this. To say "we feel good about this plane but BTW we have a software fix to roll out" is tone-deaf. I know they have a lot riding on this model but anything that looks like stonewalling won't help. After American Airlines Flight 191 the reputation of the DC-10 was never the same.Comment
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From a human perspective the more one relies on technology the more can go wrong. Students who depend on calculators cannot solve simple math problems without them and are rendered insolvent. Money storied on plastic/cell phones are tendered useless when the technology does not function. Watch some coeds try and pay for their breakfast @ McDonalds and could not...the system was down in our AO. They went hungry, I paid with coin of the realm and was fed.
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The problem is we are forced to use the technology in most cases. As far as airplanes and air travel I suppose the pilots get the same or better training than before but do not get the hands on experience of actual emergency situations due to the computerization taking over and advising the pilots.
When I worked at the refinery we had a main lab that did final testing but we also had several control buildings throughout the complex that tested their own products as well. When I first hired on most all the lab equipment was manually operated. An example would be we would physically freeze our jet fuel with liquid nitrogen to make sure it was within spec (spec was -40 degrees C). Later, probably for many reasons, we went to analyzers and computers with digital readouts and direct links to the refinery computer systems. If a machine gave us a good number we believed it. If the machine gave us an out of spec number it was customary to doubt the results. The old manual way of doing things was pretty much fool proof.
I went to a WalMart once during a power outage. The store was open and lit up with battery backup or aux generator service but the registers were either not powered up or had lost phone/internet connection. The store could sell nothing since it had to go thru the register system including the inventory record keeping features. I asked the clerk was there any way to make a purchase including paying in cash and she said no.
When our technology screws up it generally screws us up as well. When everything runs as intended things are usually better than before w/o it. We live in a complex world.Comment
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I will not attack the pilots who are dead as a result of these crashes as only they know what really happened. Technology is a good thing but at times maybe too much. I have a very good friend who is a commercial airlines pilot and retired USAF pilot who is qualified in the 737,757 and 767 and his immediate response after the second crash was ground them and lets figure this out. Its just common sense. Aviation units stand down when they have problems. There was also a 767 crash on approach to Houston that went in a few weeks ago.To Error Is Human To Forgive Is Not SAC PolicyComment
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Has the data been released from the flight recorders yet or is that info still in the I initial investigative stages?
If they know where the problem lies then a retrofit or software patch could be done on an emergency schedule basis. With the track record the airplane has it wouldn't likely lead to another crash.
I hear pilot error being mentioned as a possible cause. What about maintenance oversight? Tight scheduling and penalties for the slightest delay are a very real factor. Goes all the way down to the gate attendants not getting the door closed a minute sooner.
The immediate grounding of the world wide fleet seems to be knee jerk overkill unless something hasn't yet been made public.2016 Chicago Cubs. MLB Champions!
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