The slippery slope on guns has become slippery again ...

[dogtag]

Give the gun grabbers a 1/16th" loophole and they'll wriggle through it.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/sandy-hook-connecticut-supreme-court-guns-nra-remington.html

[togor]

From the article:

The plaintiffs relied on CUTPA in an effort to work around the PLCAA, because the federal statute includes an important exception. While it bars most negligence suits, the PLCAA permits claims alleging that a gun manufacturer or seller “knowingly violated a State or Federal statute applicable to the sale or marketing of the [firearm], and the violation was a proximate cause of the harm for which relief is sought.” If CUTPA is “applicable” to the sale of firearms, then, the plaintiffs’ wrongful advertising suit is not prohibited by the PLCAA.

The proximal cause of Sandy Hook was Adam Lanza being a nut job. They'll lose the case but are seeking discovery.

[dryheat]

Miss guided.

[barretcreek]

Lemme see. His mother bought the rifle for her (target) use; the kid stole it and murdered her with it. Thence to his endpoint because he should have been institutionalized years before and it's Remington's fault. If this case doesn't get thrown out in the U.S. District court every auto maker and alcohol maker better close up shop.

[lyman]

did they ever release the final results from autopsies etc?

seem to recall the first reports were the gunman did the damage with handguns, then an AR was found in the car, and suddenly it was the main weapon used,,

[S.A. Boggs]

If there was no car, there would have been no shooting. What kind of assault vehicle was used? Who furnished the clothing the shooter was wearing? I can see many industries that can also be sued for $$$.
Sam

[togor]

I haven't seen the specific ads in question, but there plenty of them out there that appeal to tactical wanna-bes. If Ford advertised the Explorer as the SUV of choice if you find yourself ploughing through a wall of pedestrians, and someone did do that with an Explorer, then Ford would be sued. But the PLCAA bar will not be met. Plaintiffs know that, just want to go fishing in industry files to see what they can find. It's the tobacco strategy.

[S.A. Boggs]

One other strategy to use would to contact the maker of the vehicle that in court THEIR furnishing of the assault vehicle was also needed. Bring in the local dealer as well, also the state for licensing said vehicle. It's hard to see the bottom if the creek is muddied up. Was the home rented or financed? So many avenue of approach to lay blame.
Sam

[Major Tom]

The democrats are following Hillary's instructions line by line.

[m1ashooter]

I've been around for a lot of years and have never seen a gun ad on main stream TV. Sure like to see the ads they are talking about if there are any? Has anyone ever seen them?

[S.A. Boggs]

People kill for many reasons and for no reason it is what humans do. Case in point, the National Socialists are really ticked off at the President for doing/trying to undo what it has taken "them" decades to accomplish. I would say that many would like to physically eliminate President Trump as some did for the previous one. When alien cultures come into a region there can and will be push back. Islam is not about getting along but taking over, hence the shooting in NZ. Frankly I am surprised that more has not occurred, although some is just low key. Leaving a lb of open bacon or ham @ the door of a mosque comes to mind. What intimidates them is nothing to someone else and vice versa. Islam and other religions are incompatible due to the teachings of Islam and will never change.
Sam

[togor]

People kill for many reasons and for no reason it is what humans do. Case in point, the National Socialists are really ticked off at the President for doing/trying to undo what it has taken "them" decades to accomplish. I would say that many would like to physically eliminate President Trump as some did for the previous one. When alien cultures come into a region there can and will be push back. Islam is not about getting along but taking over, hence the shooting in NZ. Frankly I am surprised that more has not occurred, although some is just low key. Leaving a lb of open bacon or ham @ the door of a mosque comes to mind. What intimidates them is nothing to someone else and vice versa. Islam and other religions are incompatible due to the teachings of Islam and will never change.
Sam

Straying a bit from the original topic here (DT doesn't like that), but a bit confused as to when fatalism is to be applied, or not applied.

Climate change: Fatalism YES ("the climate is always changing, nothing to be done")
Mass shootings of religious minorities: Fatalism YES ("these people come over, someone is going to do something eventually")
Dual Track Justice for Rich/Poor: Fatalism YES ("hey they can afford the best lawyers and have connections")
Human Migration: Fatalism NO ("so what if it has been going on forever, we're going to build that wall")
Illegal Gun Sales: Fatalism YES ("criminals will always find ways to get guns so why inconvenience the honest people?")
Improper Votes: Fatalism NO ("even one bad vote is one too many, and we will clamp down as hard as we have to")

Seems kinda random. Anyways, back to the OP, gun rights: I argue that protectors of 2A rights should be out in front on calling for a clampdown on hate groups, on people who would commit horrible acts using our rights as a weapon. I don't care if the perpetrator is a ISIS recruit in his parent's basement, or an ex-Marine claiming to defend his culture. Anyone who brings violence from hate onto society is the true enemy of civilization, and should be dealt with accordingly.

[S.A. Boggs]

Was the shooters action a "hate" crime or defending his culture? It depends on who one asks and when/where it is asked. Would people/media care if firearms were not used? It is not hard to construct an explosive incendiary device with every day items bought in communities. Fuel is explosive and an ignitor can be purchased at most auto stores. Firearms are an inefficient way to collect mass casualties with "devices" being much better and safer for the actor[s]. People will continue to stay in conflict, that is a given in all societies. Trying to live in and maintain a utopian existence is an idiots nightmare...it won't happen ever.
Sam

[togor]

Is shooting babies a love crime? If murder is going to be sanctioned for an excuse as vague as defending the culture, then civilization is over. The Believer in me says that the shooter has put his soul in jeopardy with this act, that his prospects in the afterlife just took a decided turn for the worse. Most likely the shooter is not a Believer. More the mystery are those who claim to be of faith but express sympathy for the shooter's views. They are certainly out there.

[dogtag]

When muslims keep slaughtering innocent people for the love of Allah,
it should come as no surprise if eventually people start slaughtering muslims.
Turning the other cheek has it's limits.