Is this a variation of The Stockholm Syndrome ? ...

[dogtag]

Not so much loving your captor but more like
loving your killer. This sudden adoration of muslims
and all things Islam ? Consider the worldwide fuss made
about the New Zealand murders of Islamic prayer goers.
True, it needed condemning but it didn't mean that the
New Zealand PM had to start wearing a Hijab. Why not
show her total remorse and go whole Hog and wear a
burkha ? Muslims killing Christians and other non-believers
is an everyday occurrence but it doesn't gain the notoriety
that a lone killing of muslims creates. The whole business
is lopsided and makes it appear that muslims are far more
important than Christians. Weird: to quote the King of Siam,
"it's a puzzlement".

[togor]

DT it is no puzzle at all.

The NZ Muslims were not violently killing Christians. They were at weekly service in their place of worship. Some, apparently, were just tourists helping keep NZ green. They had no armed guards ready to return fire, such was their lack of militant thinking, and so they were martyred by a white Australian in large numbers. That's right, martyred.

The long run advantage of non-violence as a basis for a movement is that there is a much greater likelihood of gaining sympathy and support from the public at large. ISIS predictably rejected non-violence, ruling by an incredibly brutal code, and look what it got them.

The puzzlement is that people would think that massacres like this are somehow useful acts.

[clintonhater]

They had no armed guards ready to return fire, such was their lack of militant thinking, and so they were martyred by a white Australian in large numbers. That's right, martyred.

You don't know the meaning of the word. "Martyrdom" means VOLUNTARILY accepting death or torture (such as spending the rest of your young life in prison) when it would have been easy for you to avoid that punishment; such as the Christian martyrs in the Roman Empire who had only to make a symbolic offering to the Emperor (a kind of loyalty oath) to be pardoned--they weren't even required to deny their Christian faith; or Thomas Moore, who had only to sign a loyalty oath to Henry VII (as everyone else in the kingdom had already done) to escape death; or the 26 Japanese Christians crucified in 1597 because they refused to renounce their faith.

Did the ragheads KNOW IN ADVANCE that they were going to be subjected to an attack if they entered that mosque? If not, they are casualties, victims, etc., but absolutely NOT martyrs! Even the thousands tortured & beheaded by ISIS are only murder victims, not martyrs, because there was nothing they could have said or done to escape.

The ONLY martyr in NZ was the shooter, because he KNEW that if he wasn't killed by police, he'd spend the rest of his life in prison.

[togor]

Your point taken CH, but in the public sphere it doesn't matter. They were killed for being Muslim in NZ by an Australian, and no other reason than that. For bearing witness to their faith in a Mosque, they were killed. Sympathy will flow. Meanwhile your shooter (to whom you seem somewhat favorably disposed, to your discredit), wears "martyr" in the same way as a guy with a nail bomb strapped to his chest as he heads to the produce market on a crowded morning. That usage has lost its shine.

[clintonhater]

Meanwhile your shooter (to whom you seem somewhat favorably disposed, to your discredit), wears "martyr" in the same way as a guy with a nail bomb strapped to his chest as he heads to the produce market on a crowded morning. That usage has lost its shine.

There's the difference between a Christian & a Muslim martyr--the Christian martyr accepts a death it was in his power to avoid, the vile raghead slaughters others because his evil ideology promises him 72 virgins to despoil for all eternity.

[togor]

CH, the Aussie fits the definition of a terrorist. You have expressed sympathy for him, which makes you a terrorist sympathizer. At this point, NOTHING ELSE THAT YOU SAY MATTERS UNTIL YOU STRAIGHTEN THAT OUT.

[S.A. Boggs]

Not so much loving your captor but more like
loving your killer. This sudden adoration of muslims
and all things Islam ? Consider the worldwide fuss made
about the New Zealand murders of Islamic prayer goers.
True, it needed condemning but it didn't mean that the
New Zealand PM had to start wearing a Hijab. Why not
show her total remorse and go whole Hog and wear a
burkha ? Muslims killing Christians and other non-believers
is an everyday occurrence but it doesn't gain the notoriety
that a lone killing of muslims creates. The whole business
is lopsided and makes it appear that muslims are far more
important than Christians. Weird: to quote the King of Siam,
"it's a puzzlement".

Nazi's and Muslims both need victims to feed their rational, during WWII the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was for the Nazi cause and help them against Jews/Allies. If one fights against them, then "they" play the victim...case in point is Togor since the beginning of his infection of these conservative boards. Togor is an invalid extreme National Socialist ideation which plays the victim when opposed, yet comes back again and again. One does not need to understand their insanity, just the constant will to oppose it. The other point to ponder is why a non-America such as Togor feels the need to constantly attack my country?
Sam

[clintonhater]

CH, the Aussie fits the definition of a terrorist. You have expressed sympathy for him, which makes you a terrorist sympathizer. At this point, NOTHING ELSE THAT YOU SAY MATTERS UNTIL YOU STRAIGHTEN THAT OUT.

He fits the definition of someone driven to hopeless desperation by being forced to stand by helplessly (ie, given no vote in the matter) while his national culture & traditions are defiled by invaders invited in by the ruling elites pursuant to their holy mission of destroying all national identities, & most especially, pride in the accomplishments of European civilization--the One Worlders. I have enormous sympathy for anyone in that plight, because I'm in it too. However, I wish I could have pointed out to the poor, not very bright, chap that his act of resistance was going to be HUGELY counter-productive, engendering yet more sympathy & support for the invaders from the deracinated bleeding hearts of the world, like you.

[Vern Humphrey]

He fits the definition of someone driven to hopeless desperation by being forced to stand by helplessly (ie, given no vote in the matter) while his national culture & traditions are defiled by invaders invited in by the ruling elites pursuant to their holy mission of destroying all national identities, & most especially, pride in the accomplishments of European civilization--the One Worlders. I have enormous sympathy for anyone in that plight, because I'm in it too. However, I wish I could have pointed out to the poor, not very bright, chap that his act of resistance was going to be HUGELY counter-productive, engendering yet more sympathy & support for the invaders from the deracinated bleeding hearts of the world, like you.

There's no need to defend him -- he IS a terrorist, albeit maybe not a member of an organized terrorist group.

And he -- the self-radicalized terrorist -- is why "gun control" is exactly the opposite of what we need. In an environment where people self-radicalize and commit mass murder, our only protection is ourselves. All good men should be armed.