"Heads we win, Tails they lose"

[dogtag]

That's the Indian Princess' take on elections;

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/elizabeth-warren-if-a-democrat-loses-the-election-is-illegitimate

Lie, cheat, steal, but win by any means no matter the cost.

[Vern Humphrey]

The idea of a DEMOCRAT accusing anyone of election fraud is ludicrous. They INVENTED election fraud and have been blatantly open about it. Why do you think Democrat states issue driver's licenses to illegals?

[togor]

The idea of a DEMOCRAT accusing anyone of election fraud is ludicrous. They INVENTED election fraud and have been blatantly open about it. Why do you think Democrat states issue driver's licenses to illegals?

Right now the epicenter of election fraud is the NC GOP. Will your blind spot explode if you shine the light of truth on it? LOL, probably. The rest of it is the Nationwide GOP voter suppression campaign. Can't have those lazy, shiftless types voting in the big elections.

[RED]

The NC election is a nickel in a million dollar pot. Thousands of felony crimes by the Democrats including lying in order to get FISA warrants. Bogus, made up lies sworn as being gospel truth, resulted in the biggest scandal in history. Lies, lies, lies... rigor would climb a flag pole to tell a lie when he could stay on the ground and tell the truth... twist and turn, f—k honesty, dignity, honor... in his world they are garbage for the uninitiated.

[togor]

Thousands? If you're going to bullsh*t with numbers, why stop at mere thousands?

[RED]

Thousands? If you're going to bullsh*t with numbers, why stop at mere thousands?

Yep, you are right for once... it is 10's of thousands when you consider Federal laws, State laws, County Laws, City Laws and Precinct violations. In San Francisco alone, authorities violate dozens of Federal Immigration Laws every day... Trump didn't pass those laws, the Democrats did and now they claim their own laws, laws they passed, are wrong ??? Twist and turn lie and burn... traitors that need to meet their BUFF's Julius and Ethel.

[JohnPeeff]

Can someone explain to me how asking for an ID to vote is "voter suppression"? .None of the arguments hold up.

[Vern Humphrey]

Can someone explain to me how asking for an ID to vote is "voter suppression"? .None of the arguments hold up.

It suppressed the illegals and fraudulent voters, of course!!

Most voter fraud -- in Arkansas, at least -- occurs in absentee voting. Once we started requiring a Xerox copy of a picture ID accompany an absentee ballot, fraud dropped dramatically. I know -- I was an Election Commissioner.

[togor]

Can someone explain to me how asking for an ID to vote is "voter suppression"? .None of the arguments hold up.

How much red tape do you want to put people through? Especially renters and young people who move around a lot. No, they're not running around from one precinct to the next, voting all the time. It's a huge hassle to get them to turn out at all. But if they do turn out, it's usually not as the Republicans would like, so....we have to dot the "i" and cross the "t" on every single vote! So the thinking goes, and if the result is to turn away people who just moved into the district a month ago from across town and haven't had the chance to hit the DMV yet, well, too bad for them, because, well, the sanctity of the ballot box is paramount!

Contrast that with the sanctity of the cartridge box, which is another of the so-called "4 boxes of freedom". When government ties up ownership and procurement of firearms in red tape, as they do in some places, it is considered a crime against civilization itself!

My point is: be consistent. Don't blather on to me about what an awful threat it is if someone tries to vote who hasn't updated their DL address yet, while shrugging at the guy who buys 15 handguns a month and sells them in legal FTF sales with no paperwork to people he doesn't know.

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It suppressed the illegals and fraudulent voters, of course!!

Most voter fraud -- in Arkansas, at least -- occurs in absentee voting. Once we started requiring a Xerox copy of a picture ID accompany an absentee ballot, fraud dropped dramatically. I know -- I was an Election Commissioner.

North Carolina too. Another red is state. Although I guess NC is throwing shades of purple at times. But the absentee fraud there was a glorious shade of Red. A conspiracy theorist would say it was a false flag to give the GOP reason to clamp down further. Interesting observation is that the fraud was pulled out of the data.

[togor]

Yep, you are right for once... it is 10's of thousands when you consider Federal laws, State laws, County Laws, City Laws and Precinct violations. In San Francisco alone, authorities violate dozens of Federal Immigration Laws every day... Trump didn't pass those laws, the Democrats did and now they claim their own laws, laws they passed, are wrong ??? Twist and turn lie and burn... traitors that need to meet their BUFF's Julius and Ethel.

So have we moved on from voter fraud to sanctuary protests? Kinda muddling a couple of things together. Speaking of sanctuary-like protests, I hear that some Colorado sheriffs vow to disregard a state law that makes it possible to temporarily remove firearms from the possession of someone who is reported as being a danger. I don't know if such a law will make things better or worse, but I suppose it is an attempt at policing mental health, which is what we are told is the thing to do after these mass shootings, to separate the disturbed from their firearms before it all goes bad. If I remember what I read, one sheriff pretty much admitted that there were no tweaks he could do to the law that would make him change his mind, that he just didn't want to be in that business. The point is, protests against the Federal Government are hardly a new thing.

[S.A. Boggs]

Can someone explain to me how asking for an ID to vote is "voter suppression"? .None of the arguments hold up.

Apparently asking an illegal for citizenship is "their" version. National Socialists are masters at suppression except for "their" followers.
Sam

[bostonbound]

How much red tape do you want to put people through? Especially renters and young people who move around a lot. No, they're not running around from one precinct to the next, voting all the time. It's a huge hassle to get them to turn out at all. But if they do turn out, it's usually not as the Republicans would like, so....we have to dot the "i" and cross the "t" on every single vote! So the thinking goes, and if the result is to turn away people who just moved into the district a month ago from across town and haven't had the chance to hit the DMV yet, well, too bad for them, because, well, the sanctity of the ballot box is paramount!

Contrast that with the sanctity of the cartridge box, which is another of the so-called "4 boxes of freedom". When government ties up ownership and procurement of firearms in red tape, as they do in some places, it is considered a crime against civilization itself!

My point is: be consistent. Don't blather on to me about what an awful threat it is if someone tries to vote who hasn't updated their DL address yet, while shrugging at the guy who buys 15 handguns a month and sells them in legal FTF sales with no paperwork to people he doesn't know.

So in your pursuit of consistency, your stance on no ID for voting also means that you are in favor on no ID requirement for cashing a check, buying a firearm, or anything else (including driving a car)?

Go togor!

[blackhawknj]

Yes, demanding a valid and legal ID is "voter suppression", but a storekeeper can ask for ID for alcohol or tobacco purchases, you have to sign for over the counter medications, local libraries ask for ID to use their computers if you are not a resident, children are removed from schools when they are found not to be legal residents of the school district....
Again, the Liberals/Leftists idea of "democracy" is a "People's Democracy"-think of East Germany or Poland before 1989-where the "people" express their gratitude for the wise leadership of the ruling elite.

[togor]

So in your pursuit of consistency, your stance on no ID for voting also means that you are in favor on no ID requirement for cashing a check, buying a firearm, or anything else (including driving a car)?

Go togor!

Don't misstate what I said. I believe that if voting and bearing arms are twin pillars in defense against tyranny, then it makes no sense to be strict on one and lenient on the other. Cashing a check is a private commercial transaction and a red herring that you threw in. Voting and bearing arms are basic rights.

It's actually a simple concept.

[Vern Humphrey]

Yes, demanding a valid and legal ID is "voter suppression", but a storekeeper can ask for ID for alcohol or tobacco purchases, you have to sign for over the counter medications, local libraries ask for ID to use their computers if you are not a resident, children are removed from schools when they are found not to be legal residents of the school district....
Again, the Liberals/Leftists idea of "democracy" is a "People's Democracy"-think of East Germany or Poland before 1989-where the "people" express their gratitude for the wise leadership of the ruling elite.

It's National Socialism in action.