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  • togor
    Banned
    • Nov 2009
    • 17610

    #16
    The way to do reparations is to have an honest and sustained (for once) discussion in this country about race and that slippery concept called "heritage". When self-identifying Sons of the Confederacy lament the scars that they feel over the loss of the war, but can't acknowledge that slavery left scars too, then it doesn't exactly help the situation. Cutting a check to slave descendants who happen to be alive today isn't reparations in any meaningful sense.

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    • clintonhater
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2015
      • 5220

      #17
      Originally posted by togor
      When self-identifying Sons of the Confederacy lament the scars that they feel over the loss of the war...
      What they chiefly lament today is the systematic degradation & vilification of their heroic ancestors.

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      • togor
        Banned
        • Nov 2009
        • 17610

        #18
        Originally posted by clintonhater
        What they chiefly lament today is the systematic degradation & vilification of their heroic ancestors.
        That's one way of putting it. But not all heros get statues. Now let's see you apply your keen insight to another facet of those years. You see black Americans, descendants of slaves, as having no gripes in the present day? Say with at -times trigger happy cops?

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        • clintonhater
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2015
          • 5220

          #19
          Originally posted by togor
          You see black Americans, descendants of slaves, as having no gripes in the present day? Say with at -times trigger happy cops?
          Their gripes are self-generated, by living irresponsibly (not all, of course, but a majority), which isn't the best way to earn respect. Not that that justifies trigger-happy cops, who also kill plenty of whites, which, because such killings don't bring out mobs in the street, usually attract little attention.

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          • togor
            Banned
            • Nov 2009
            • 17610

            #20
            I think they would ask you to walk a mile in their shoes, and the guess here is that you'd decline.

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            • robh5
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2011
              • 139

              #21
              Originally posted by togor
              The way to do reparations is to have an honest and sustained (for once) discussion in this country about race and that slippery concept called "heritage". When self-identifying Sons of the Confederacy lament the scars that they feel over the loss of the war, but can't acknowledge that slavery left scars too, then it doesn't exactly help the situation. Cutting a check to slave descendants who happen to be alive today isn't reparations in any meaningful sense.
              Reparations in the long run will do more harm then good to the Black community. I'm all for helping people out if needed but reparations are just another form of welfare/hand outs, which I am totally against. I will not be guilted into paying for something I had nothing to do with.

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              • togor
                Banned
                • Nov 2009
                • 17610

                #22
                Originally posted by robh5
                Reparations in the long run will do more harm then good to the Black community. I'm all for helping people out if needed but reparations are just another form of welfare/hand outs, which I am totally against. I will not be guilted into paying for something I had nothing to do with.
                I think the more perceptive observers understand that it has to be about reconciliation more than cutting a check to people who happen to be alive today. Redlining, hiring and wage discrimination, over-the-top policing, these things still happen whether CH can wrap his head around them or not. And yeah there are some white folks who get stuck on the idea that the country will head down the tubes if there isn't an entrenched class of white folks to run it. "Look at South Africa," they say (and will say again now that I cracked that egg open). Well this isn't South Africa, and our Constitution pushes us to get over our issues with race. So let's get on with it, I say.

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                • Vern Humphrey
                  Administrator - OFC
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 15875

                  #23
                  Originally posted by robh5
                  Reparations in the long run will do more harm then good to the Black community. I'm all for helping people out if needed but reparations are just another form of welfare/hand outs, which I am totally against. I will not be guilted into paying for something I had nothing to do with.
                  And as I said, if anyone is going to get paid it should be the descendants of the men who fought to free the slaves.

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                  • blackhawknj
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 3754

                    #24
                    My paternal grandmother told my mother that she lost an uncle-or a great uncle-or a couple of them-at Gettysburg. New York State troops. My family has paid its share. George Nixon, great-grandfather of Richard Nixon is buried there too. There's another family to take off the list.

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                    • dryheat
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 10587

                      #25
                      Originally posted by togor
                      I think they would ask you to walk a mile in their shoes, and the guess here is that you'd decline.
                      Who wants to walk a mile being stupid? Blacks are never happy. They can't figure out how to be happy. Not all of them, but a lot of them. Reparations is such a crazy idea I can't even comprehend how it is even talked about. Reparations does what? Make a few folks ahh... well, sort of rich for a couple of years? Then reparations again because they still aren't happy again?

                      It might be a great social experiment. Let's give every black person in America $100 or 500 or 5,000- whatever they conjure up as fair and see if they can shut up about it for once and for all.
                      Wait, social experimentation, that's a liberal idea. Or Nazi or National Socialist as it goes here.

                      Hey, if they are so put upon here maybe they should march to another country and apply for asylum. That's all the rage these days. Hey, here's an idea(I have to think of everything), how about when the last Hondurans move here, our blacks can go there and run the country in a proper fashion.
                      If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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                      • clintonhater
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2015
                        • 5220

                        #26
                        Originally posted by togor
                        And yeah there are some white folks who get stuck on the idea that the country will head down the tubes if there isn't an entrenched class of white folks to run it. "Look at South Africa," they say (and will say again now that I cracked that egg open).
                        I say look at ALL the former European colonies in Africa. Which one would you care to live in?

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                        Originally posted by dryheat
                        Let's give every black person in America $100 or 500 or 5,000- whatever they conjure up as fair and see if they can shut up about it for once and for all.
                        They wouldn't shut up if it was a million. What would Al, Jessie, & all the other pro race-baiters do for a living?

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                        • Allen
                          Moderator
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 10627

                          #27
                          How many of the blacks living here now are illegals or descendants of illegals who had no ancestors who were slaves in America? Like I said before, what about the Chinese, Whites, and Native Americans who were slaves? Just because they don't gripe and complain doesn't mean it didn't happen. The early European's that came here such as Ponce De Leon brought slaves with them. Some were blacks, most were other white European's, some, like the Indians, were made into slaves upon his arrival.

                          Since reparations would be another form of welfare it could be said that it is already and has already been paid.

                          Perhaps if the whites started pushing this same agenda the issue would die more quickly.

                          The blacks have been free since 1865 to LEAVE. I'm sure if any of them, even back then, had wanted funds to provide for this it would have been granted. I don't recall this subject ever coming up by them. Many of the blacks today living here want to honor their "heritage" (grass huts?) by using unpronounceable so called African names and call themselves "African-Americans". This very much encourages the division of races here. You don't hear of whites referring to themselves as "German-Americans" or "English-Americans" and so forth. People who want to honor another country while living here should not live here in the first place and should go "home".
                          Last edited by Allen; 04-11-2019, 05:15.

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                          • sid
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 3198

                            #28
                            +1 on the above.

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                            • Vern Humphrey
                              Administrator - OFC
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 15875

                              #29
                              Originally posted by dryheat
                              Who wants to walk a mile being stupid?
                              Actually, that's a good idea -- you wind up a mile away from Stupid, and you've got his shoes.

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                              • clintonhater
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2015
                                • 5220

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Allen
                                Many of the blacks today living here want to honor their "heritage" (grass huts?) by using unpronounceable so called African names and call themselves "African-Americans".
                                That term is itself a gross absurdity, unless Egyptians, Moroccans, Tunisians, Algerians, & Libyans are located somewhere other than in Africa.

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