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Colorado has fallen to communism. Everybody now is a felon and dangerous.
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Every time someone goes off of their nut (like in Aurora), the refrain is that "well it's not the guns its the mental health". Obviously it's the combination, as the nut with firepower is more dangerous than the nut without. (Let's skip the part where we talk about sharpened sticks also being dangerous in the wrong hands. Firepower matters.) So OK, the voters of Colorado want to try an experiment, to see if it's possible to disarm the nuts before they go off. Before the haters descend in droves to criticize the policy, let me ask, is that really such an unworthy social goal, stopping slaughter before it begins? To be pro 2A is it necessary to pay lip service only to the mental health component but not actively support any policy whatsoever that tries to separate nuts from firearms? Because in the end, that's what the mental-health angle comes down to--separating nuts from firearms.
It's easy to see why sheriffs wouldn't want to be in this business. It's dangerous work. It's also easy to see why the lip service crowd doesn't want to see them try. If it turns out that the policy isn't practical, then it puts an arrow in the "focus on mental health not guns" argument. And (maybe worse) if the policy shows some success, that it is possible to disarm nuts and head off gun deaths by slaughter or suicide, without putting deputies unduly in harm's way, then therein could lie a blueprint for other states to follow. I was raised to respect and handle firearms properly, and to resist unwarranted government intrusion into their ownership and operation. I was not raised to embrace a culture of gun anarchy, which has taken root over the past decades, and like all other anarchist movements, will eventually get suppressed by the majority.Last edited by togor; 04-14-2019, 08:05. -
Even our sheriff, a Dem who got into hot water his first day in office over a different matter, has said 'he has a problem' with the significant lack of due process. The state A.G. has also said he is worried about the due process aspect. How do you prove you are not a threat? This is ripe for abuse and it will be abused. Our sheriff, in the same interview, stated he already has a legal mechanism to remove weapons from an individual's premises-the same process was being used when the deputy was killed on New Year's. What this law does is gives anyone-a total stranger who only has one interaction with you-the ability to claim you are a threat. It will be abused and someone will get it over turned, but not before people are hurt.
Also, the 'Rats included this one with the "Safety Clause", which is tacked onto 47% of the drivel passed by the legislature. 'Safety Clause' means the law cannot be challenged by a vote or ballot initiative. Has to go to court. And it will.
Now to find the video of my state senator lying (and getting caught) about getting a thumbs up from the sheriff in an adjacent county.
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If the law is abused then surely we will hear about it. This is after all the age of the internet. I do wonder though if the greater fear is that the law works somewhat as intended. I would have baked an expiration date into the law after 7 years or so that requires legislative action for renewal.Comment
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People are not afraid of the law working, we're afraid of its abuse. That sad little monster in Florida was reported to the SO multiple times and the waste of clean air sheriff and school superintendent refused to apply the existing law.Comment
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As "people" seek safety the more one becomes a prisoner of it. The police can't always protect one, so "safety" must be in taking "something" to give the illusion of that safety. The only new reality is now the illusion that some society is trying to create. As the safety doesn't appear as promised, then more freedom's will be taken to again give the promised illusion of safety and now all becomes more of a prisoner of the illusion.
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Agree that abuse is a legitimate concern. But a lax gun culture is not without its own costs. You heard about the 4 year old boy in Georgia who accidentally shot and ultimately killed his 6 year old sister, right? Not to say this has anything to do with a red flag law, but it does have something to do with a culture that takes firearms too casually. Who knows, if family and friends are on the job keeping tabs on those with both guns and mental problems, then maybe we won't have tales of abuse because judges will be able to tell the difference. As I said, I would have wanted a sunset clause on the law as an extra safeguard.Last edited by togor; 04-14-2019, 02:58.Comment
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So making draconian gun regulations are going to force irresponsible, stupid, and/or crazy people to be responsible, smart, and sane.
You are a evil, stupid, and insane jackass.Comment
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Couldn't we say the increase in traffic accidents due DWI-controlled substances, pill popping, texting while driving, etc. are signs of a "lax driving culture" that require legislation ?
"Mental problems" ? Sounds like a job for the Thought Police !Comment
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Two points:
1. We do do crack down on driving practices that contribute to traffic deaths! Texting while driving is a lax driving practice that is now in most places illegal.
2. Mental health as the root cause of these problems (as opposed to guns themselves) is the refrain of the NRA.
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Don't worry, your state is unlikely to disarm you.
This law may or may not produce the desired results. And such state level experiments are part of what people call the Laboratory of Democracy.Last edited by togor; 04-14-2019, 04:59.Comment
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re the texting, it may be illegal, but folks still do it,
like DUI's, Speeding etc etc,
laws are there to help, but the person has to not commit the offense,
normal rational folks may not do such, (well , except the speeding) but some always don't think the laws apply to them,
re the red flag,
while not so much a gun control law (in my mind) it does seem to be an after the fact type law,
I think we have swung to the pendulum to the opposite side, as far as mental health
years ago, sanitariums, lobotomies, etc etc, folks committed , etc etc, and thay system was abused as well,
now it takes an almost literal act of congress it seems to get committed , since we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, and yet the .gov wants to swing by the house and take a persons guns that they maybe should not have been able to buy (thru nics check) if they were diagnosed correctly?, just because ole Betsy down the street says that a person maybe is a bit off,Last edited by lyman; 04-15-2019, 05:36.Comment
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