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  • togor
    Banned
    • Nov 2009
    • 17610

    #31
    Originally posted by RED
    Regardless of the cause of the fire, 100 years from now it will be regarded as the symbolic end to Western Civilization and the beginning of the new Dark Ages.
    100 years from now they'll be lamenting the fact that we couldn't muster the will to get a handle on CO2 and methane emissions.

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    • Vern Humphrey
      Administrator - OFC
      • Aug 2009
      • 15875

      #32
      Originally posted by dogtag
      Good God Vern, you do come up with nonsense.
      How about "Ethelred the Unready" ?

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      The main structure is still standing, thanks to those Flying Buttresses.
      Good God, Dogtag, how do you come up with these off-the-wall comments. The man brought up Henry the 8th and I pointed out that Cromwell was even worse. What's wrong with that?

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      • dogtag
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 14985

        #33
        Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
        Good God, Dogtag, how do you come up with these off-the-wall comments. The man brought up Henry the 8th and I pointed out that Cromwell was even worse. What's wrong with that?
        You said Henry V111 was the worst Monarch. How about Bloody Mary ?
        Read up on his accomplishments (apart from executing his wives)
        He dumped the power hungry Pope and built up the Navy.
        AND you think Charles 1st who demanded total power and
        dissolution of Parliament so that he could make war would
        have been better than Cromwell ?
        Read up on Cromwell - he was a great asset to England, and
        when he died chaos followed which is why Charles 2 was
        invited to return from France.

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        • Vern Humphrey
          Administrator - OFC
          • Aug 2009
          • 15875

          #34
          Originally posted by dogtag
          You said Henry V111 was the worst Monarch.
          No, I didn't. I said, "Historians consistent rank Henry as the worst British Monarch."

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          • RED
            Very Senior Member - OFC
            • Aug 2009
            • 11689

            #35
            The truth is that if the USA were to go blank and not contribute a single molecule of CO2 for the next 100 years, the earth would continue to warm globally.

            Lie, lie, lie, twist and turn, hate and burn.

            Laugh and cheer as Notte Dame burns,,,

            Go to Hell you cowardly jackass🍗

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            • blackhawknj
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2011
              • 3754

              #36
              Cromwell's image has gone back and forth, in the 17th and 18th Centuries he was condemned as a regicide, in the 19th as an advocate for limited and representative government and liberty, in the 20th Century as a proto-fascist. Many of the UK's military traditions come from that era, the red coat-the uniform of the New Model Army , lineage of some regiments-the Coldstream Guards, e.g. The idea that only a well trained and disciplined army could be relied on. The Royal navy derived many of its traditions and esprit from the Commonwealth Navy under Robert Blake. Churchill tried to name a battleship after Cromwell, George V vetoed it, in WWII they had the Cromwell tank. "Shoulder to shoulder like Cromwell's Ironsides" was a high compliment to a military unit.
              "Aethelred the Unready" ?-the "unready" meant he was badly advised, a pun on his name which meant "well advised".

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              • lyman
                Administrator - OFC
                • Aug 2009
                • 11269

                #37
                Originally posted by dogtag
                You said Henry V111 was the worst Monarch. How about Bloody Mary ?
                Read up on his accomplishments (apart from executing his wives)
                He dumped the power hungry Pope and built up the Navy.
                AND you think Charles 1st who demanded total power and
                dissolution of Parliament so that he could make war would
                have been better than Cromwell ?
                Read up on Cromwell - he was a great asset to England, and
                when he died chaos followed which is why Charles 2 was
                invited to return from France.
                the original comment (mine, typo included)

                speaking of the English, don't forget Henry 8th,

                he destroyed and looted may a Catholic church,

                Vern simply commented that Cromwell may have been worse,,

                neither of us said either were the worst, or best,

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                Originally posted by togor
                100 years from now they'll be lamenting the fact that we couldn't muster the will to get a handle on CO2 and methane emissions.
                100yrs from now someone will be crying about how the world will end due to mankind's folly in 20 yrs,, just like the last 2 times,

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                • Vern Humphrey
                  Administrator - OFC
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 15875

                  #38
                  Originally posted by blackhawknj
                  Cromwell's image has gone back and forth, in the 17th and 18th Centuries he was condemned as a regicide, in the 19th as an advocate for limited and representative government and liberty, in the 20th Century as a proto-fascist. Many of the UK's military traditions come from that era, the red coat-the uniform of the New Model Army , lineage of some regiments-the Coldstream Guards, e.g. The idea that only a well trained and disciplined army could be relied on. The Royal navy derived many of its traditions and esprit from the Commonwealth Navy under Robert Blake. Churchill tried to name a battleship after Cromwell, George V vetoed it, in WWII they had the Cromwell tank. "Shoulder to shoulder like Cromwell's Ironsides" was a high compliment to a military unit.
                  "Aethelred the Unready" ?-the "unready" meant he was badly advised, a pun on his name which meant "well advised".
                  The Coldstream Guards (the oldest unit in the British Army in continuous service, regardless of many false claims) dates back to the Restoration. Those are the troops General Monck picked to meet and escort Charles II when he returned. Charles, very suspicious, had Monck line them up and he rode down the line, looking them in the eye to see if he could detect hatred and resentment. That is the origin of the ceremony of "trooping the line" when the King or Queen rides down the line of assembled troops.

                  England, under Cromwell, was a military dictatorship, with Major Generals in charge of the various political subdivisions. And of course Cromwell purged Parliament, throwing out those MPs not to his liking. He sent a Colonel named Pride to do the dirty work, and it is known as "Pride's Purge." Thereafter, it was called the "Rump Parliament" -- the part that was still seated.

                  Cromwell's dictatorship was the model for the Newburgh Conspiracy, when some Revolutionary Army officers sought to overthrow Congress and establish a military dictatorship. They needed Washington, and virtually kidnapped him. They brought him into an assembly of officers and handed him a paper to read out. Washington said, "You will permit me to put on my spectacles, for I have grown not only grey but almost blind in the service of my country."

                  Men broke down and wept, and officers loyal to Washington took control and put down the conspiracy.

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                  • pcox
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 386

                    #39
                    Originally posted by dryheat
                    I've never been able to figure out how people in those days built such wonderful things.
                    They didn't have to deal with OSHA.

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                    • Vern Humphrey
                      Administrator - OFC
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 15875

                      #40
                      Originally posted by pcox
                      They didn't have to deal with OSHA.
                      Ouch!

                      They didn't have zoning ordnances, either, or have to get variances and tree-removal permits.

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                      • Allen
                        Moderator
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 10583

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                        They didn't have zoning ordnances, either, or have to get variances and tree-removal permits.
                        They didn't have to deal with hiring quotas or "save the trees" protest either.

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