Iran?

[S.A. Boggs]

Well lets rattle sabers and shake our fists at the Persians. I believe we are sending a message to the Persians of don't screw with us. Boots on the ground not very likely. I'm not sure why we sent my beloved B52, since we can fly them from the Conus round robin. Invading Iran is not an option. I'd rather take Cozumel and other Caribbean beach front property.

To seek crossing sabers with Israel is foolhardy, past history shows that. The B-52, my understanding, are now a flying platform for cruise weapons. Having them close by and reloadable could make more sense then flying from home. Take out Iran's source of hard currency, the oil fields and shipping ports would cripple them to some extent. Let them know that every time they "sting" expect to be hit hard in return. Why invade? Who wants more land trouble, just make it less valuable to them. The name escapes me now but my understanding is that we have the capability of sewing an area with small explosive devices that when disturbed explode. If nothing else this will slow one down in reclaiming an area.
Sam

[lyman]

To seek crossing sabers with Israel is foolhardy, past history shows that. The B-52, my understanding, are now a flying platform for cruise weapons. Having them close by and reloadable could make more sense then flying from home. Take out Iran's source of hard currency, the oil fields and shipping ports would cripple them to some extent. Let them know that every time they "sting" expect to be hit hard in return. Why invade? Who wants more land trouble, just make it less valuable to them. The name escapes me now but my understanding is that we have the capability of sewing an area with small explosive devices that when disturbed explode. If nothing else this will slow one down in reclaiming an area.
Sam

aerial mines?

mines in general are great at killing folks years after any conflict may have been resolved,,,since everyone, us included, have a habit of using them but not cleaning them up after the fact

IIRC we have already taken sides, of the Saudi's , in that little conflict in Yemen, which I read somewhere was a Saudi/Iran way by proxy, and of course, over power and religion,
as in which religious faction gets the power,


not something we need to be stuck in,

[S.A. Boggs]

aerial mines?

mines in general are great at killing folks years after any conflict may have been resolved,,,since everyone, us included, have a habit of using them but not cleaning them up after the fact

IIRC we have already taken sides, of the Saudi's , in that little conflict in Yemen, which I read somewhere was a Saudi/Iran way by proxy, and of course, over power and religion,
as in which religious faction gets the power,


not something we need to be stuck in,

When I was ill I watched a great deal of You Tube and one of the old films showed these "bomblets" the term "cluster bomb units" come to mind. The idea is to deny access to an area, make it harder for the Iranian's to use. Rather then igniting their oil fields, sew the area with the "aerial" mines for them to clean up. Their land is not something America is wanting to occupy, just deny them the use of. Make it inconvenient and time/money consuming for them to dispose of the explosivies. @ the same time deny them the means of a product for hard currency which Iran desperately needs.
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

When I was ill I watched a great deal of You Tube and one of the old films showed these "bomblets" the term "cluster bomb units" come to mind. The idea is to deny access to an area, make it harder for the Iranian's to use. Rather then igniting their oil fields, sew the area with the "aerial" mines for them to clean up. Their land is not something America is wanting to occupy, just deny them the use of. Make it inconvenient and time/money consuming for them to dispose of the explosivies. @ the same time deny them the means of a product for hard currency which Iran desperately needs.
Sam

The better strategy would be to mine their ports and prevent them from exporting or importing anything. The beauty of that is Iran has little in the way of a merchant marine. The ships would be foreign, and foreign ship owners would not willingly risk their ships for the benefit of Iran.

[barretcreek]

My questions are a) Is the defector a false flag by Iran (or others) and b) Why aren't we actively helping Iranian resistance groups, non violent and otherwise, to ratchet up the internal heat? I think the regime is on shaky ground and could go down at any time. Like the Turks there is a reason none of their neighbors like them.

[S.A. Boggs]

The better strategy would be to mine their ports and prevent them from exporting or importing anything. The beauty of that is Iran has little in the way of a merchant marine. The ships would be foreign, and foreign ship owners would not willingly risk their ships for the benefit of Iran.

Never thought of that, not a bad idea. Wonder what Lloyds of London would think?
Sam

[togor]

One would think that mining the ports of a sovereign state could be considered an act of war. Does the Constitution say anything about that?

[lyman]

My questions are a) Is the defector a false flag by Iran (or others) and b) Why aren't we actively helping Iranian resistance groups, non violent and otherwise, to ratchet up the internal heat? I think the regime is on shaky ground and could go down at any time. Like the Turks there is a reason none of their neighbors like them.

well,

we have such a stellar reputation in that area,,,

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One would think that mining the ports of a sovereign state could be considered an act of war. Does the Constitution say anything about that?

seems to me it would be considered an Act of War, but what do I know

[Vern Humphrey]

seems to me it would be considered an Act of War, but what do I know

Like when we mined Haiphong harbor?

[RED]

So Red seriously wants to start up with the Iranians? For what? I thought (and still do) that Trump was against this kind of adventurism. I also think it will play bad with the base. And...how will we get Mexico to pay for it?

Another idiotic response,

Iran is bristling their arms... So you respond by demonstrating that is a bad idea. If you do nothing they will continue to escalate. Cowards here think if you are attacked or threatened with attack, you should retreat... cowardly actions bring on stronger attacks.

Trump doesn't want to fight Iran. But he recognizes the reality, retreat and you lose... Iran is a bully and as all bullies are, they are cowards.

Lie, lie ,lie, twist and turn, hate and burn!

[togor]

What's the game, then, Red? Force the Persians to their knees with threat of war? For how many news cycles do we wait? C'mon, put the pom poms down and man up to the hard question: How does this play out?

[Mark in Ottawa]

If Iran is stupid enough to nuke Israel there will essentially be no Iran a few hours later and probably no Gaza either

[Vern Humphrey]

If Iran is stupid enough to nuke Israel there will essentially be no Iran a few hours later and probably no Gaza either

The use of nukes cannot be controlled by either side. A world war will result no matter who fires them.

[lyman]

Like when we mined Haiphong harbor?

were we not combatants with them at that time? or had it ended?

[Vern Humphrey]

were we not combatants with them at that time? or had it ended?

We were fighting -- it was the mining of the harbor that brought them to the negotiating table.