75 America Colleges Offer Black Only Graduation

[Allen]

Just imagine what would happen if whites tried the same thing. Here' the story.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/...on-ceremonies/

I wonder how many of these colleges are accredited and have some type of academic guidelines to follow and how many of these are just placing diplomas in the students hands and patting them on the back?

[blackhawknj]

"Don't want that pregnancy prevented " ? Preventing an unwanted pregnancy is one of the easiest things to do. Conversely the abortion rate in this country is as high as it is because the group most committed to "reproductive freedom for women"-are men. As abortion rights advocate Naomi Wolfe admitted in a debate with pro-life advocate Ellen Alvarz "Women have no choice!".
And I will quote the New Jersey judge who told a welfare queen who appeared before him-as a plaintiff-that she was using her children as "meal tickets."

[lyman]

Poverty was falling after WWII and continued to fall until 1969 when the Great Society programs kicked in. For the next 40 years, it hovered around 13%, up a tick, down a tick. For the promise of short term gain (which never really materialized) we accepted long term failure.

at the risk of getting flamed, I would say long term failure did not really happen,
surely there are some that were/are helped, go thru the system, improve their condition in life and move up and out of the poverty cycle/circle,

granted, in an age where there are church groups, neighborhood groups, etc etc that are made up of folks that know how to work the system, and use that knowledge to get benefits for those that likely do not need them, or not need as much (but get much more), failure is inevitable

[Vern Humphrey]

at the risk of getting flamed, I would say long term failure did not really happen,
surely there are some that were/are helped, go thru the system, improve their condition in life and move up and out of the poverty cycle/circle,

Where are the successes?

Is the poverty rate LOWER than it was in the late '60s. Are there FEWER children being born out of wedlock and living in single-parent homes? Has the poverty cycle been broken in any significant way? Are there FEWER people on welfare now than back then?

When answering this, take a result-oriented approach -- that is, don't simply say "we followed the recipe" -- demonstrate that the cake is flavorful and nutritious..

[blackhawknj]

"Poverty" was redefined until the term became meaningless. Welfare benefits are so easily obtained-watch the video "Swipe Yo' EBT" for the eligibility requirements.

[lyman]

Where are the successes?

Is the poverty rate LOWER than it was in the late '60s. Are there FEWER children being born out of wedlock and living in single-parent homes? Has the poverty cycle been broken in any significant way? Are there FEWER people on welfare now than back then?

When answering this, take a result-oriented approach -- that is, don't simply say "we followed the recipe" -- demonstrate that the cake is flavorful and nutritious..

take a moment and re read my post,

surely there are some,,,

meaning not everybody is still below poverty,

I worked in the hood too many years, and did see some folks work hard and get off the dole,
give me a moment and I may remember their names,,,
however I no longer have their contact info,, incase you wanted to call and check on them

and quote my entire post please,,,

[Vern Humphrey]

take a moment and re read my post,



meaning not everybody is still below poverty,

I worked in the hood too many years, and did see some folks work hard and get off the dole,
give me a moment and I may remember their names,,,
however I no longer have their contact info,, incase you wanted to call and check on them

and quote my entire post please,,,

You are offering anecdotal evidence -- or rather basing you claim on that, since you don't offer any numbers. Yes, some people are better off, but MORE are worse off -- there are more people on welfare, more children in single parent homes and so on.

I never said, "everybody is still below poverty," I said the poverty lever stopped dropping around 1969, when the "Great Society" programs kicked in, and remained around 13%, up a tick, down a tick for the next 40 years -- and went up during the next 8 years.

I worked in the hood too many years, and did see some folks work hard and get off the dole,

And nobody would deny SOME folks work their way out. The question is -- are there more or fewer people on the dole? If there are more people on the dole, we cannot say our social system is "working."

[togor]

The low wage/low tax economy generally isn't good for working people. No surprise that Vernon loves it, however. But yeah, in the before time, the time that holds fond memories for so many, both wages and taxes were higher, and the country's wealth was more widely spread across the socioeconomic spectrum. Food for thought the next time you see some folks trying to unionize a plant.

[lyman]

The low wage/low tax economy generally isn't good for working people. No surprise that Vernon loves it, however. But yeah, in the before time, the time that holds fond memories for so many, both wages and taxes were higher, and the country's wealth was more widely spread across the socioeconomic spectrum. Food for thought the next time you see some folks trying to unionize a plant.

I would say, with respect, that Vern is seeing the forest, ,

I worked down in the trees for too many years, saw the issues first hand,

as far as unions,
worked for one company for 24 yrs, the running motto was they would shut all the stores before any got unionized,

then worked for another that was union , probably the weakest contracts ever written, they did practically nothing for the members,

UFCW, horribly corrupt group, the ones in the union paid to give some officials a good living, company car, and a cell phone, with very little in return


on the other side, I know folks in the IBEW that will retire early, (my brother is one of them) with damn good benefits,

[togor]

I have my own personal history with unions, as my dad was a plant supervisor and as such the "meat in the sandwich" between labor and management. I think it shortened his life to put up with that. So I don't run pro-union. And yet, the wealth inequality has to be considered as a source of many problems in this country. If too much of the wealth flows to the top, that leaves less incentive for people at the bottom to generate it. Again, food for thought.

[Vern Humphrey]

I would say, with respect, that Vern is seeing the forest, ,

Well, that's the point, isn't it? You have to look at the total population of poor people to determine if what you're doing is working. Cherry picking -- pointing to a few individual success, and ignoring the big picture -- really proves nothing.

[blackhawknj]

With welfare benefits running between $40-60,000 a year we need to define "poor" better.

[togor]

With welfare benefits running between $40-60,000 a year we need to define "poor" better.

Source? Specifics?

[Vern Humphrey]

With welfare benefits running between $40-60,000 a year we need to define "poor" better.

I say that if you are supported by the welfare system, you are the person we should focus on -- no matter how much the system pays you, Our goal should be to make hard-working, prosperous, tax-paying citizens out of at least 80% of those on welfare.

[togor]

I say that if you are supported by the welfare system, you are the person we should focus on -- no matter how much the system pays you, Our goal should be to make hard-working, prosperous, tax-paying citizens out of at least 80% of those on welfare.

Raise wages. I have a buddy who runs a non union painting crew in Phoenix. The have plenty of business, but at $15/hr it's always a grind to get painters. Basically Mexicans and convicts. He tells his owner that if they raised wages to get better people, he could train them up and they'd make more money. But the guy says "no". I ask why. He likes his boss, but feels that the reason is greed. Boss sees the up front hit of higher wages as denting his bottom line and doesn't want to look beyond it. My buddy also says he's also impressed by how the unionized trades operate out there on construction sites.