Venezuela is a poster child of gun control gone wrong

[rayg]

They all do it. A real story, when I attended the FBI Academy at the new FBI building that cost millions we were assigned to two man rooms. On day there was a knock at the door and there stood a guy with a clip board and another with a spot lite on a long pole. He said they they just need to put the light next to the ceiling to check see if the ceilings are sanded finished or just raw poured concrete. They found they were in the still rough raw poured. The gov.paid for finished ceilings. He said that President Johnson's buddy got the contract to build the multi million dollar building even through the guy was not a building contractor and did'n't own any construction equipment such as needed to build a large building. Also he said the bid was for special slanted cut bricks part way up that cost a lot for each brick, Half way done,he said they ran out of the special bricks and just cut the angle on cheap regular bricks. Tell me that other presidents don't do the same...Ray

[Vern Humphrey]

I suspect that if the average Venuesalan was asked what went wrong, they would tell you that the government wasn't socialist enough. My perception is that, like the socialist in this country, they fully believe that there is nothing wrong with socialism, you just need the "right people" to implement it.

The Parable of the Chocolate Cake

There was a man who had a recipe for chocolate cake; "Mix mud and straw and bake."

Someone tried it and said, "That's not a recipe for chocolate cake -- it produced a brick!"

But the man pointed out that the recipe card plainly said, "Chocolate cake."

Others tried it, and they all produced bricks.

But the man explained the theory behind his recipe, and showed all the research he had done. He blamed the other people -- they must have got the proportions of mud and straw wrong, or perhaps they didn't bake the ingredients at the right temperature.

But more and more people tried it. And they all produced bricks.

And finally a man stood up and said, "It don't make a diddly-dang what the heading on your recipe card says, and your theory is just hot air. This is a recipe for a brick!"

So I say, "It don't make a diddly-dang what the heading on Marx' recipe card says, and his theory is just hot air. Communism or socialism is a recipe for a brutal, repressive dictatorship -- and every nation that has tried it has got just such a dictatorship."

[blackhawknj]

Many of those Venezuelans were "wreckers", in the pay of imperialists, they didn't achieve their "norm" or fulfilled the "Plans" of a wise and omniscient Party and Government.

[S.A. Boggs]

The Parable of the Chocolate Cake

There was a man who had a recipe for chocolate cake; "Mix mud and straw and bake."

Someone tried it and said, "That's not a recipe for chocolate cake -- it produced a brick!"

But the man pointed out that the recipe card plainly said, "Chocolate cake."

Others tried it, and they all produced bricks.

But the man explained the theory behind his recipe, and showed all the research he had done. He blamed the other people -- they must have got the proportions of mud and straw wrong, or perhaps they didn't bake the ingredients at the right temperature.

But more and more people tried it. And they all produced bricks.

And finally a man stood up and said, "It don't make a diddly-dang what the heading on your recipe card says, and your theory is just hot air. This is a recipe for a brick!"

So I say, "It don't make a diddly-dang what the heading on Marx' recipe card says, and his theory is just hot air. Communism or socialism is a recipe for a brutal, repressive dictatorship -- and every nation that has tried it has got just such a dictatorship."

Vern, you have hurt Togey's feelings and he will just have to keep counting for who knows what. Must be Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.
Sam

[togor]

Dryheat, the counting is a simple way to create some entertainment value out of the otherwise useless Nazi posts of the jug band boys. The count resets every month, and they have the option to end the references. It's like putting loose change in a cider jug. By itself a penny is a penny, but with enough others....

[lyman]

It doesn't matter what form of economic system you have, if the people in power are determined to loot the country for the advantage of their cronies.

On a completely unrelated topic (not really), Trump is trying to push the Army to hire Fisher Industries, a ND construction company, to built wall stuff along the southern border. Tommy Fisher, the owner, is a big Trump booster, whom many here have no doubt seen on right wing media. When it comes to cultivating a network of grifters who are trying to make a fast buck off of the current administration, Trump goes where no other POTUS has gone before. It isn't even close.

in addition to what rayg posted,

did not Obama bring his cronies from Chitcago to DC with him,
Ms Obama supposedly had one heck of a group of folks helping here with the kids and all, including grandma,,

Both the Bush's were connected to big business, and Clinton,,,

[Bill D]

Dryheat, the counting is a simple way to create some entertainment value out of the otherwise useless Nazi posts of the jug band boys. The count resets every month, and they have the option to end the references. It's like putting loose change in a cider jug. By itself a penny is a penny, but with enough others....

The “useless Nazi posts” are in retaliation to your constant Trump trashing. If you would simply STFU, the boys in “the jug band” would probably cool it.
I know, you feel it’s your responsibility to make the whole world aware of every perceived Trump crime and they feel compelled to point out that political crime is a two edged sword. Civility and politics have become incompatible to the max. Why can’t we attempt some civility here before this forum is completely destroyed?

[Allen]

If you would simply STFU

+1

[dryheat]

Yeah, the counting thing. I don't get it. I like the socialists. But I feel they are under the gun. It's hard but someone has to do it. And unmistakably they aren't hippy weird guys who think that everything should be free man(with the old hippy accent). Just arguementive. Another word I can't spell.

[S.A. Boggs]

+1

+2
Sam

[togor]

It's a political forum. Since there is little action on the 2A front, things naturally migrate to other current events. Given how Trump likes to dominate the headlines, that's how it goes.

I think his experiment to cut us off from China has real merit. Let's watch that one and see where it goes. But Trump is also a fountain of tactical BS, and so yeah, real no-BS Americans are gonna call him on it. Being no-bullsh*t hardly makes someone a liberal. If feelings get hurt related to that observation, then that a choice. And "jug band" is downright endearing compared to the stuff I'm regularly called.

[S.A. Boggs]

The “useless Nazi posts” are in retaliation to your constant Trump trashing. If you would simply STFU, the boys in “the jug band” would probably cool it.
I know, you feel it’s your responsibility to make the whole world aware of every perceived Trump crime and they feel compelled to point out that political crime is a two edged sword. Civility and politics have become incompatible to the max. Why can’t we attempt some civility here before this forum is completely destroyed?

I agree the term Nazi is of Germanic origin, the National Socialist is the new American reality. The Democratic party has adopted the platform of Socialism and many of their elected leaders now espouse it. This is THEIR VOICED IDEATION, so again I will try and explain for those who missed it. National-of one's nation, Socialist-the term Democratic are now using, Democratic-name of their party, Workers-what the Democrats have always said they represent, Party-self explanatory. I refuse to be political correct and not in the realm of the current reality. Since some of my family [Mom's side] came from the Fatherland many decades ago I choose to use the tongue of my ancestors. Many use the term "gay" for homosexual or African American for Black. Why bastardize the American language to keep from "hurting feelings", this is what is wrong with the political landscape. Abortion is a nice, clean word for the ripping apart of unborn babies bodies...why coddle?
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

I agree the term Nazi is of Germanic origin, the National Socialist is the new American reality. The Democratic party has adopted the platform of Socialism and many of their elected leaders now espouse it. This is THEIR VOICED IDEATION, so again I will try and explain for those who missed it. National-of one's nation, Socialist-the term Democratic are now using, Democratic-name of their party, Workers-what the Democrats have always said they represent, Party-self explanatory. I refuse to be political correct and not in the realm of the current reality. Since some of my family [Mom's side] came from the Fatherland many decades ago I choose to use the tongue of my ancestors. Many use the term "gay" for homosexual or African American for Black. Why bastardize the American language to keep from "hurting feelings", this is what is wrong with the political landscape. Abortion is a nice, clean word for the ripping apart of unborn babies bodies...why coddle?
Sam

More to the point, Nazi ideology is being adopted by the leftists in this country -- "Nazi" means "National Zocialism." If you read the "25 Points of the Nazi Party" you see that 14 of them are socialist wholly or in part. For example:

16 We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalisation of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small trades people, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

Compare that with the continual attacks on "large stores" like WalMart by the leftists.

And of course look at the physical violence where conservatives are attacked by Antifa. Those people are Nazi Brownshirts, and no one can deny it.

[S.A. Boggs]

Nazi's have to deny it or "nice" folks won't vote for them. People condamn those of us who hunt for our food as "killer's" yet think nothing of eating fried chicken or a burger. The current Democratic are Nazi's why not call the party for what the party now represents. Vern is right in his assertion and this is the new reality. To state otherwise is delusional and a form of mental illness. One might be crazy, why be insane?
Sam

[Roadkingtrax]

I agree the term Nazi is of Germanic origin, the National Socialist is the new American reality. The Democratic party has adopted the platform of Socialism and many of their elected leaders now espouse it. This is THEIR VOICED IDEATION, so again I will try and explain for those who missed it. National-of one's nation, Socialist-the term Democratic are now using, Democratic-name of their party, Workers-what the Democrats have always said they represent, Party-self explanatory. I refuse to be political correct and not in the realm of the current reality. Since some of my family [Mom's side] came from the Fatherland many decades ago I choose to use the tongue of my ancestors. Many use the term "gay" for homosexual or African American for Black. Why bastardize the American language to keep from "hurting feelings", this is what is wrong with the political landscape. Abortion is a nice, clean word for the ripping apart of unborn babies bodies...why coddle?
Sam

So Sam is a Christofacist now? Noted.

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Nazi's have to deny it or "nice" folks won't vote for them. People condamn those of us who hunt for our food as "killer's" yet think nothing of eating fried chicken or a burger. The current Democratic are Nazi's why not call the party for what the party now represents. Vern is right in his assertion and this is the new reality. To state otherwise is delusional and a form of mental illness. One might be crazy, why be insane?
Sam

Let's just call it a count of 40.