The "Russian Collusion," thing was a lie from the start

[RED]

... and the FBI knew it. They used a fake document that was bought and paid for by the Clinton campaign and perjured themselves in front of the FISA courts. Probable cause is still the law. If they didn't have to have evidence of a crime, why did they bother with the FISA warrants.

The special counsel (formerly called special prosecutor) is a lawyer appointed to investigate a particular case of suspected wrongdoing for which a conflict of interest exists for the usual prosecuting.

They were well aware there was no underlying crime and the convictions the stooges are so proud of (except for Flynn) were for crimes completely unrelated to the 2016 elections and the Trump campaign. Any Federal prosecutor could have prosecuted those cases and there would have been no conflict of interest. It was a not a hoax, it was a coup d'etat staged by the American FBI, CIA, NSA etc.

You guys seem to think that the biggest crime ever committed in the U.S. is just fine with you. It stinks to high heaven and you think I am stupid for being enraged?

The list of conspirators that tried to overthrow the U.S. Government is huge. it stars with people like Strzok, Page, and Comey and includes the Clintons, and the entire Obama White house band of traitors.

Go ahead and laugh and giggle your panties off but this is going to come out to be the end of freedoms in the U.S. if they aren't stopped. The end of freedom of speech is imminent... along with the entire Bill of Rights.

[Sandpebble]

You are correct Red... I just read your post and I'm giggling my panties off. You are an ignorant and easily conned man

[togor]

Red are you celebrating or bemoaning the end of free speech? If it's the latter then you're right in there with the journalists angry with the administration's wielding of the Espionage Act.

[RED]

Red are you celebrating or bemoaning the end of free speech? If it's the latter then you're right in there with the journalists angry with the administration's wielding of the Espionage Act.

Oh, you mean the "journalists," that have been publishing made up lies and fake news. You have never been right about anything. Tell us again how Trump is a Russian spy and how he "colluded," with the Russians. You are a liar, a a bully (i.e. a coward) and a traitor...

[Roadkingtrax]

Oh, you mean the "journalists," that have been publishing made up lies and fake news. You have never been right about anything. Tell us again how Trump is a Russian spy and how he "colluded," with the Russians. You are a liar, a a bully (i.e. a coward) and a traitor...

Tells us yourself, blind fool.

[clintonhater]

"Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, who the hell gives a shiit?"

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[dryheat]

So, what goes around comes around. That is all. These are trying times. It's difficult to deal with things that seem inordinate. It's messy but necessary.
D. Trump is like no president that we have seen in forty yrs. Maybe not before or since. Is he erudite? Hell no. Is he going to get us into a war, I doubt it.
He wants things to work. He talks with Kim. Is that wrong? Well, it's not 1952 anymore. Does he talk to the Russians? Well, yes. Remember it's not 1952 anymore.
Do "things get done"? It seems so. Is getting things done something new? No.
Ooh, bad Trump.

[togor]

See Dryheat, that's the problem with defending Trump. It's very hard to do with anything other than generalities and feelings. Because once you get into specifics of policies and words, it's a complete crap shoot as far as A) what the policy is, and B) whether the way he's going about it makes a damn lick of sense or not. Trump is a survivor and so that instinct may play out on the national stage for awhile, but if you look at his company, Trump Inc., his masterwork, you see that in the end it's about appearances and little more.

[dryheat]

it's lower case. If it's just appearances how did he make all that money? He's surviving pretty good. Maybe we should elect a homeless person next time. Someone real.

[togor]

it's lower case. If it's just appearances how did he make all that money? He's surviving pretty good. Maybe we should elect a homeless person next time. Someone real.

Well that's the thing....how much money does he really have? People who have studied the guy say that he totally bullsh*tted his way onto the Forbes list years ago and never looked back. And of course he fights tooth an nail any attempt for anyone to get a solid reading on his balance sheet. Does it matter if his actual net worth is say 20% of what he claims? Many will say no because he's fighting the fight. But on the other hand if his whole life's story is a whopper, then how does anyone take him serious about anything? Meanwhile Trump's message to his allies is the quintessential one of any marauder--as long as you stay loyal to me you can help yourself to whatever plunder comes your way. Unclear to me how many friends he'll have if things start to unravel. Trump attracts the kind of people who would leave a person in a ditch if unable to walk on their own.

[lyman]

it has been a complete crap shoot on policy in the past,
esp when Holder was part of it, (talking of those that should be locked up)

[togor]

it has been a complete crap shoot on policy in the past,
esp when Holder was part of it, (talking of those that should be locked up)

Is not Fast and Furious small potatoes when it comes in comparison to, for example, completely reordering our trade relations with the rest of the world? A bit like bringing a knife of a counter-example to a gun fight. I'm trying to remember the last President who deliberately sowed chaos as a negotiating tactic on anywhere close to a Trumpian scale. Nixon was a distant second. No one else in my lifetime comes close. The rest of them aspired to be seen as steady and responsible hands on the tiller. We may before the end conclude that this was a pretty good move on their part.

[RED]

Tells us yourself, blind fool.

A freaking picture taken completely out of text and totally meaningless. You are togors alter ego. Sense you guys are party to inside information tell us exactly what was said as the picture was being taken? Come on jackass share your insider, top secret information swapped between the guys in your picture. I know your BUFFt pal Comey sent the information directly to you via MSNBC and Rachel Maddow.

[Roadkingtrax]

A freaking picture taken completely out of text and totally meaningless. You are togors alter ego. Sense you guys are party to inside information tell us exactly what was said as the picture was being taken? Come on jackass share your insider, top secret information swapped between the guys in your picture. I know your BUFFt pal Comey sent the information directly to you via MSNBC and Rachel Maddow.

Dont like it turned around on you? You are still a fool, unfortunately.

[lyman]

Is not Fast and Furious small potatoes when it comes in comparison to, for example, completely reordering our trade relations with the rest of the world? A bit like bringing a knife of a counter-example to a gun fight. I'm trying to remember the last President who deliberately sowed chaos as a negotiating tactic on anywhere close to a Trumpian scale. Nixon was a distant second. No one else in my lifetime comes close. The rest of them aspired to be seen as steady and responsible hands on the tiller. We may before the end conclude that this was a pretty good move on their part.

not just F&F,, he was just part of the crooked chicago connection that moved up, but that doesn't really matter,

your TDS has gone into overdrive here late,