Ponder this

[S.A. Boggs]

After 7 December the American people were really stirred up against Japan, how would things have played out if Germany and Italy HAD NOT declared war on the U.S. and withdrew their U-boats to mid Atlantic and points east? Politically FDR would have realized that the American people would not have accepted a war with Germany/Italy after what Japan had done to us. I believe that Hitler could have brought down the British government who would have then sued for terms.
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

If Hitler had had any sense at all, he would never have invaded Poland (nor would he have sanctioned the Holocaust). In his place, I would have approached the British and French with a proposal to form a mutual defense pact against Russia. And when Russia invaded Poland, I would have carried out my part in the resulting fracas -- and claimed a few bits and pieces as my reward.

[blackhawknj]

The Germans were bogged down in Russia and Lend Lease really didn't start to take effect until the Fall of 1942.
The correspondent/news analysist H. V. Kaltenborn spoke excellent German and was one of the very few to talk with him one on one for any length of time. He concluded that Hitler was incapable of rational or logical thought. The first the German General Staff knew of Hitler's declaration of war on us was when they heard it on the radio on December 11. They had done no studies, no analyses of how to fight us. The SS intelligence chief Walter Schellenberg said he was told to prepare an analysis of our industrial capability-steel production of 80-90 million tons, about 4x theirs. He showed it to Heydrich who was stunned by the figures but accepted them as genuine and objective. He took them to a meeting with Hitler and Goering, Goering came out of the meeting and told Schellenberg:
"Everything you have written is absolute nonsense. You should have a psychiatrist examine your mental condition !"

[Vern Humphrey]

Churchill did not support attempts to assassinate Hitler, because he was afraid the Germans would replace him with someone competent.

[S.A. Boggs]

"High" Hitler is an accurate term!
Sam

[Allen]

"High" Hitler is an accurate term!
Sam

Not meaning to change the subject but there was an episode (History Channel I believe) called "high Hitler" where it goes into detail about the Nazi soldiers being given crystal meth so they could fight for days with little sleep and food.

https://taskandpurpose.com/new-book-reveals-nazi-soldiers-just-high-crystal-meth

[togor]

Not meaning to change the subject but there was an episode (History Channel I believe) called "high Hitler" where it goes into detail about the Nazi soldiers being given crystal meth so they could fight for days with little sleep and food.

https://taskandpurpose.com/new-book-...h-crystal-meth

This stuff



If not mistaken allied pilots were sometimes given stimulants, and to this day the USAF keeps amphetamines in their toolkit.

[dryheat]

There is a passage in the book about the pacific war. They used drugs as well. One time one of the guys did a little to much and went a little crazy. They were fearful the Japs would hear him so to shut him up they whacked him with a trench shovel.

[clintonhater]

If Hitler had had any sense at all, he would never have invaded Poland (nor would he have sanctioned the Holocaust).

The invasion of Poland was a JOINT operation between Hitler & Stalin--the country was to be divided between the two invaders. It was the French & British who afterwards declared war on Germany, & not vice versa.

Before the Holocaust, the "first solution" was deportation of Jews to the French colony of Madagascar. But that required the cooperation of the Royal Navy & Churchill would not hear of it! Only then came the "final solution".

[blackhawknj]

"Panzerschokolade" the German troops called it. The Germans did have a very advanced pharmaceutical industry, and unlike Uncle Sam's Army they recognized you have to take active measures to control the Sandman. Their troops appreciated it.
The Final Solution was decided at the Wannsee Conference in January, 1942, before then they thought they could simply work them to death.

[Vern Humphrey]

The invasion of Poland was a JOINT operation between Hitler & Stalin--the country was to be divided between the two invaders. It was the French & British who afterwards declared war on Germany, & not vice versa.

That's why it was such a dumb idea. The Russians had invaded Poland before, and been kicked out by the French. They would again -- and Hitler had a chance to be on the right side.

Before the Holocaust, the "first solution" was deportation of Jews to the French colony of Madagascar. But that required the cooperation of the Royal Navy & Churchill would not hear of it! Only then came the "final solution".

There is a book called Holocaust, published in 1960 that analyzes the economic impact of the Holocaust. It was a net loss for the Germans, and would have been if the Jews had been merely deported. The Jews were an asset to Germany, honest, well-educated and hard-working.

[S.A. Boggs]

I only get worried when "experts say" is advanced by the media.
Sam

[m1ashooter]

You pose a very interesting question.

[Allen]

You pose a very interesting question.

+1

A lot of "if's" and "what if's" could have changed the outcome of the war. I think Hitler realized he screwed by pinning the UK down to the brink of surrender then pulling his troops to go fight the Eastern front. What if our carriers had been in dock Dec. 7th and been destroyed? What if Japan had attacked the mainland U.S. immediately after the Dec. 7th attack? What if DC had been severely bombed before FDR could speak to congress about declaring war? If the U.S. had not fought in Europe the Russians may have eventually won the war especially after sending in their reserve from the Eastern border but if so then Stalin would have laid claim on every country involved and probably (at the time) would have taken over China as well while they were in their weakened stage. If all of this had happened then the Russians along with all the captured soldiers and equipment could have taken over a war torn weakened America too?

Would the take over of America by the Japs or Russians be a whole lot different than giving our country away to the third world nations like we are doing now?

[Vern Humphrey]

+1

A lot of "if's" and "what if's" could have changed the outcome of the war. I think Hitler realized he screwed by pinning the UK down to the brink of surrender then pulling his troops to go fight the Eastern front.

Actually, the troops were irrelevant -- until the Germans had total air supremacy, they dare not attempt crossing the channel.

When Napoleon was preparing to invade Britain, Parliament asked the First Sea Lord, Lord Saint Vincent about it, and he said, "I do not say Bonaparte will not come. I only say he wall not come by sea."

What if our carriers had been in dock Dec. 7th and been destroyed?

The war would have lasted several years longer. Conceivably, Australia could have been invaded.

What if Japan had attacked the mainland U.S. immediately after the Dec. 7th attack?

As Yamamoto said, there would be a rifleman behind every blade of grass. And Japanese troops landing on the mainland would have been swallowed up.

What if DC had been severely bombed before FDR could speak to congress about declaring war?

No enemy nation had the ability to bomb DC, let alone bomb it severely.

If the U.S. had not fought in Europe the Russians may have eventually won the war especially after sending in their reserve from the Eastern border but if so then Stalin would have laid claim on every country involved and probably (at the time) would have taken over China as well while they were in their weakened stage. If all of this had happened then the Russians along with all the captured soldiers and equipment could have taken over a war torn weakened America too?

As I have said before, the United States has saved France three times. We saved them from the Germans in WWI, we liberated them from the Germans in WWII, and we saved them from being "liberated" by the Soviets in WWII.

Would the take over of America by the Japs or Russians be a whole lot different than giving our country away to the third world nations like we are doing now?

Probably not -- but it would have been faster.