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  • Vern Humphrey
    Administrator - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 15875

    #1

    Fathers Day

    Today is Father's Day, and I thought we might discuss what it means to be a father.

    When my oldest daughter, Helen, was born, I realized fatherhood is an awesome responsibility. I needed to be a better man. And for that I needed a role model for fatherhood. I chose Franklin Graves.

    Franklin Graves was a member of the Donner Party, a wagon train that left for California in 1846. Due to various misadventures, they fell behind schedule, and when they reached the Sierras, the last mountain range, they were too late. The pass was blocked with snow.

    They were trapped on the eastern slope of the Sierras. They had already consumed almost all their provisions. The snow that winter accumulated to a depth of eighteen feet on the eastern slope – we know because they cut down trees for firewood, and some of the stumps are over twenty feet high.

    A group of them – nine men, five women and a teenage boy – made snowshoes and attempted to walk across the mountains to California. They were by this time mere walking skeletons.

    In the literature, this group is known as “The Forlorn Hope.”

    Franklin Graves was a member of the Forlorn Hope, as were two of his grown daughters.

    They left the camp on the 16th of December, 1846. And on the 23rd of December, when they were near the crest, they were hit by a blizzard.

    Franklin Graves died in that blizzard. And as he was dying, he told his daughters to eat his body.

    They survived.

    Franklin Graves’ example shows the answer to the two burning questions of fatherhood:

    What are the limits to a father’s responsibilities to his children? There are no limits.

    When may a father lay aside his responsibilities? Not until he has drawn his last breath.

    I have taken up the burden of fatherhood, and I will carry my burden as far as Franklin Graves carried his.
  • blackhawknj
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 3754

    #2
    Think of all the kids who had no fathers-or bad ones.

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    • togor
      Banned
      • Nov 2009
      • 17610

      #3
      Natives in the New Guinea uplands, where protein is in short supply, consider it normal practice to consume the flesh of deceased relatives. Not central to the father's day theme per se, but the tale from the Donner party reminded me.

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      • S.A. Boggs
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 8579

        #4
        Being a father and husband is what I love doing best!
        Sam

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        • Vern Humphrey
          Administrator - OFC
          • Aug 2009
          • 15875

          #5
          Originally posted by S.A. Boggs
          Being a father and husband is what I love doing best!
          Sam
          The same here, Sam. I can't imagine a man who would not care for, or who would abandon his children.

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          • blackhawknj
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2011
            • 3754

            #6
            In an era in which abortion has replaced motherhood as one of the prime ways in which womanhood is defined, for many if not most men fatherhood has become the last if not the least way in which manhood is defined.
            Last edited by blackhawknj; 06-16-2019, 05:11.

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            • Vern Humphrey
              Administrator - OFC
              • Aug 2009
              • 15875

              #7
              Originally posted by blackhawknj
              In an era in which abortion has replaced motherhood as one of the prime ways in which womanhood is defined, for many if not most men fatherhood has become the last if not the least way in which manhood is defined.
              Sadly, you are right -- abandoning the children has become the "male abortion."

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              • togor
                Banned
                • Nov 2009
                • 17610

                #8
                Originally posted by blackhawknj
                In an era in which abortion has replaced motherhood as one of the prime ways in which womanhood is defined, for many if not most men fatherhood has become the last if not the least way in which manhood is defined.
                Abortion defining womanhood? Ridiculous. It's possible to honor fathers here at the forum without dragging abortion into this.
                Last edited by togor; 06-16-2019, 05:42.

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                • dryheat
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 10587

                  #9
                  Abortion has nothing/something to do with motherhood. Putting a kid up for adoption has something to do with motherhood. It's surprising how many kids look up their long lost mothers and reconnect. Then establish a relationship with mom, dad, brothers and sisters. Seems it would be easier to just do it in the first place. Ya lazy son's a bitches. I doubt many 17 yr. olds are reading this.
                  If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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                  • blackhawknj
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 3754

                    #10
                    "By declaring reproductive freedom to be women's exclusive right, it dismisses the claims of men and cancels their obligations to the next generation" Elizabeth Fox-Genovese

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                    • dryheat
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 10587

                      #11
                      Well, it's fathers day. My dad was one heck of a guy. Always there for us. He plead a few cases in court for us. Because, he loved my brother and I, and cared for us and it showed he won those cases. Then we got the lecture. I hated the lectures but I heard a lot of those lectures.
                      If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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                      • S.A. Boggs
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 8579

                        #12
                        My daughter surprised me with the gift of the complete T.V. show Paladin, my favorite. Rather then go out for dinner as Samantha planned I cooked dinner. My sciatic nerve is acting up due to the weather and I like cooking at home. Samantha did all the hard work of prepping the hamburger, onions, potatoes and mushrooms. All I had to do was to griddle it which is easy and fun! All in all it was a pleasant day for me and my family. I hate being pampered as I am use to doing for others yet my daughter likes to take care of me. When she was little she liked to sit on my lap and we would eat from the same plate which was fun. Somehow she usually got two pieces of sausage to my one!
                        My Dad was old school and a hard worker being a truck driver always on the go. Dad drove a truck as he said that this way he could make more money for his family, my older brother followed in Dad's foot steps. I made sure that I was always home nights with my family as I did not want to leave them and I didn't. Our son is an engineer for CSX and uses Skype to stay connected, something my Dad didn't have just a phone call on Sunday. When Dad retired in 1975 after 30 years on the road there was much time to be made up, except I was now a grown man and a leo. Dad died in 1985, Mom in 1988...how I miss them so!
                        Sam

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                        • togor
                          Banned
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 17610

                          #13
                          Originally posted by blackhawknj
                          "By declaring reproductive freedom to be women's exclusive right, it dismisses the claims of men and cancels their obligations to the next generation" Elizabeth Fox-Genovese
                          One lady's opinion. Meanwhile out in the real world, where the actual living occurs, things play out on a more complex landscape. They always have. That's why we (used to) value freedom. Because it was a dead cinch that someone somewhere in a comfortable office or palace would have ideas for how everyone else ought to live, if only they get the chance to back those ideas with force. Which reminds me: it's also why we (used to) value the second amendment, so that one faction doesn't get a monopoly on force. Consent of the governed! And most of the governed do not want draconian abortion laws.
                          Last edited by togor; 06-17-2019, 04:59.

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                          • Mark in Ottawa
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 1744

                            #14
                            One of the more unusual things that I did as a father was to decide on the day that my elder daughter was born, that I would never let her hear me use obscenity. I have kept that vow for over 40 years now and in their turn, I have never heard my daughters use obscenity. The horrible example that led me to this was my best friend's father who used so much obscenity that the first words that his youngest son learned were swear words. I am. of course, a hypocrite since I do swear when the children are not around, particularly when I get calls from India telling me that they are from Microsoft and that my computer is sending them error messages.

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                            • JOHN COOK
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 711

                              #15
                              Heard a story from one of the dads in church yesterday concerning smoking. He was a Cub Scout leader and was a chain smoker. He instructed the kids about all the bad things that could happen if you smoked. The question came up , "why don't you quit" from one of the kids. He doesn't know how it got started or who started it , but one of the kids called him on the phone at least one time every day and some time 3-4 times a day for quite awhile and asked " did you smoke today". He said the calls got so annoying and he felt like he was being hypocritical that he quit. He is now 89. He was in his thirties when this took place.

                              john in SC
                              “Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.” (Luke 22:36)

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