Medicare for all

[PWC]

Just saw a commercial with supposid patients holding up signs stating long lead times for scheduling various medical procedures. Ad says to "do away with private insurance....medicare for all."

I know the genesis and the people behind the ad.

I'm old now, and haved worked fulltime for more than 53 yrs before retirement, and I've always had insurance, either employer or self insured. I've never experienced long leadtimes in scheduling any procedure. I do know (at least according to media) England, under socialized medicine (rationing) patients do experience long waits, especially for hi risk procedures, and many people die before treatment.

I know Bummercare changed the world, but here in America, are we now experiencing the long leadtime rationing? I'm not talking about the VA now.

[blackhawknj]

I've learned not to take political ads seriously. I recall one put out by the Democrats in 1984, showed a sad faced family saying goodbye to the breadwinner with the announcer saying "Many people have had to take a second job to make ends meet." We all know that if you cut taxes and let people keep more of what they earn, it's the same as a pay raise. Michael Moore made his bogus "documentary" Sicko to contrast the heartless medical system of the US with the wonderful one of Canada. Then the story came out of the 12 year old Canadian boy whose life saving operation was finally approved by the bureaucrats-two weeks after he died.

[togor]

Compared to the other industrialized countries, our health care system is the most profitable. It also returns on average the worst value for health care consumers. Moral: stay fit and buy health care stocks.

[S.A. Boggs]

Compared to the other industrialized countries, our health care system is the most profitable. It also returns on average the worst value for health care consumers. Moral: stay fit and buy health care stocks.

Beg to differ, Wal-Mart is affordable and kept me alive!
Sam

[togor]

Beg to differ, Wal-Mart is affordable and kept me alive!
Sam

Your personal experience is not indicative of the country at large. And your wife's employer has to divert money from other uses, like higher pay for employees, to cover those medical costs. No mistake, the Wal-Mart pharmacy does great work with generic drug prices, but they can only do so much.

[PWC]

All good points, but the question was/is; is anyone here experiencing, or know of anyone experiencing long leadtime scheduling of medical procedures OR is the political ad as blatent a lie as the one promulgated by the progressive democratic socialist party showing a republican pushing grannie, in a wheelchair, over a cliff?

[S.A. Boggs]

Your personal experience is not indicative of the country at large. And your wife's employer has to divert money from other uses, like higher pay for employees, to cover those medical costs. No mistake, the Wal-Mart pharmacy does great work with generic drug prices, but they can only do so much.

How about the Democrats start paying reparations for their involvement in enslaving black citizens?
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

All good points, but the question was/is; is anyone here experiencing, or know of anyone experiencing long leadtime scheduling of medical procedures OR is the political ad as blatent a lie as the one promulgated by the progressive democratic socialist party showing a republican pushing grannie, in a wheelchair, over a cliff?

The only long lead time I experience is with the VA -- a government-run health care system.

[S.A. Boggs]

There is a way to provide Medicare for all and that is a TAX! Anyone grossing over $275,000.00 per year is docked @ 20% right off the top. Homes valued over $400,000 5% federal value tax, vehicles over $75,000 5%, private planes over $150,000 5%, boats over $100,000 5% and this is to be paid yearly with one's income tax. This way the "wealthy" could pay their fair share for all.
Sam

[Allen]

Homes valued over $400,000

This would give the government way too much over reach power. Suddenly every home would be valued at >$400,000. Not only could they force people to pay for every one else but they could reap more property tax as well. One on many reasons I do not believe in property tax.

[lyman]

the only long lead time I have ever had was due to the available appointments at particular doctors,
surely I could have gone elsewhere and been seen faster, and with in my plan, but I decided to use the doctors I know

[lyman]

Your personal experience is not indicative of the country at large. And your wife's employer has to divert money from other uses, like higher pay for employees, to cover those medical costs. No mistake, the Wal-Mart pharmacy does great work with generic drug prices, but they can only do so much.

not usually,

depends on the plan

most large retailers are self insured, as in they pay a percentage, and the employee pays into the plan,
usually administered by someone like blue cross or anthem,

that percentage is generally small compared to total sales and profits,

been out of the business too long to remember what LH&A and other insurance cost were, percentage wise, at my last employer,
but it was basically a fixed cost, (varied very little month to month
the health care cost are part of the employee pay package, even for part timers,

[PWC]

So, we can consider the the liberal, progressive, socialist democratic party backed and sponsored ad once again a fabricated lie foisted off on the unthinking American public, alsocalled "fake news".

[togor]

Great Lyman, if you work for large employer. If self employed, it's a different deal in this country than say in Canada France or Germany--all places where people wouldn't swap their system for ours in a hundred years.

[Vern Humphrey]

There is a way to provide Medicare for all and that is a TAX! Anyone grossing over $275,000.00 per year is docked @ 20% right off the top. Homes valued over $400,000 5% federal value tax, vehicles over $75,000 5%, private planes over $150,000 5%, boats over $100,000 5% and this is to be paid yearly with one's income tax. This way the "wealthy" could pay their fair share for all.
Sam

I had a discussion with a rabid socialist, and I asked him how much tax he paid. He tried to dodge the question, so I told him how much I pay. "Do you pay as much as I do?"

"Well, I don't make as much as you do?"

"Why the hell not? Aren't you just as smart as I am? Aren't you well-educated? Aren't you healthy? Why don't you make as much as I make?"

"Well, I chose to do things differently -- I didn't grub for money like you did."

"AHA! You CHOSE not to work, scrimp and save like I did! You CHOSE not to bear your fair share of the burden!"

"Well, I'm not a money grubber!"

"No, you're a slacker. You are a man who doesn't pay his fair share."