El Paso shooter

[S.A. Boggs]

Another Walmart shooting, perhaps we need to "ban" large box stores to avoid this from happenings.
Sam

[S.A. Boggs]

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Sam

[Art]

I'm sad to say it but we will eventually hit "critical mass" with these incidents and the results aren't going to be something we'll like. This one is wearing hearing protection, maybe he actually expected to survive.

[Vern Humphrey]

If I'd been there, he wouldn't have needed ear protection.

[Art]

If I'd been there, he wouldn't have needed ear protection.

Which brings me to another issue...there are over 1,000,000 active handgun carry licenses in Texas. Statistically there should have been at least one or two in that Wal Mart, probably more since its El Paso and not Austin. I know several people with a license who never or very rarely actually carry. Having the license doesn't do anyone any good if you aren't "packing."

It's actually a small blessing that this fellow had an AK almost surely loaded with FMJ. 7.62x39 ball, especially the steel core (M-43) stuff is a "flying drill" with a very low lethality, especially for a rifle. He shot 24 people and according to early reports only one has died so far. The army wound ballistics people's research indicates that 7.62x39mm M-43 ball isn't much more lethal than 9mm Parabellum FMJ. Survivability probability with prompt medical intervention is very high with this round unless the victim his hit in the upper spine, brain, heart or a very large artery.

We can all pray the original report that only one person was actually killed by this fool is accurate and no one else expires.

[Sandpebble]

Another Walmart shooting, perhaps we need to "ban" large box stores to avoid this from happenings.
Sam

Well... you might be onto something there Sam ... and while we're at it we should ban schools, and night clubs, outdoor music venues and movie theaters..... or any public gatherinfgs at all.

because there is no way our obsession with, even addiction, to fire arms could possibly have anything to do with it .... we all need to wake up on this topic .

Just this morning on our local news I watched as they spread the marketing spiel of a company selling bullet proof back packs for our children to go to school with....

We claim to be the most civilized nation on earth .... and have to send our kids to school in body armour .....to protect them from ... us

[Vern Humphrey]

Which brings me to another issue...there are over 1,000,000 active handgun carry licenses in Texas. Statistically there should have been at least one or two in that Wal Mart, probably more since its El Paso and not Austin. I know people with a license who never or very rarely actually carry. Having the license doesn't do anyone any good if you aren't "packing."

It's actually a good thing that this fellow had an AK almost surely loaded with FMJ. 7.62x39 ball, especially the steel core (M-43) stuff is a "flying drill" with a very low lethality, especially for a rifle. He shot 24 people and according to reports only one has died. The army wound ballistics people's research indicates that 7.62x39mm M-43 ball isn't much more lethal than 9mm Parabellum FMJ.

I have said again and again, if you CAN get a license, why would you NOT get one? And if you CAN carry, why would you not carry ALL THE TIME?

[Allen]

Which brings me to another issue...there are over 1,000,000 active handgun carry licenses in Texas. Statistically there should have been at least one or two in that Wal Mart, probably more since its El Paso and not Austin. I know people with a license who never or very rarely actually carry. Having the license doesn't do anyone any good if you aren't "packing."

Reading the reader comments on the bottom of the news articles this was repeated over and over. People of Texas have the right to carry but are afraid of what others may think so they don't. Perhaps it's because other laws are the way they are. If someone had pulled their pistol and blown this guys s**t away would they end up being arrested? Probably so, for firing a gun in a crowded store. The "hero" could end up doing jail time, lose his job and have to hire a lawyer to get out of things. At the very least his weapon would probably be confiscated. Things need to change drastically.

[Allen]

He shot 24 people and according to early reports only one has died so far. We can all pray the original report that only one person was actually killed by this fool is accurate and no one else expires.

Everything I'm reading is stating 15-20 and the police think there may be other shooters that have obviously fled the scene but reports are still coming in.

[Art]

Reading the reader comments on the bottom of the news articles this was repeated over and over. People of Texas have the right to carry but are afraid of what others may think so they don't. Perhaps it's because other laws are the way they are. If someone had pulled their pistol and blown this guys s**t away would they end up being arrested? Probably so, for firing a gun in a crowded store. The "hero" could end up doing jail time, lose his job and have to hire a lawyer to get out of things. At the very least his weapon would probably be confiscated. Things need to change drastically.

Fear of engaging for a lot of reasons may be an issue but Texas has some of the most generous use of deadly force laws in the country, probably the most generous. It is true that if you fire a gun in a crowded store and hit somebody other than the gunman you will be responsible for that....everywhere. That said, in this state, if a civilian had taken out the bad guy and the bad guy only he would not have a problem here at the end of the day, It is absolutely a justifiable shooting under the law. He would be inconvenienced in the investigation and the shooting would surely be referred to a Grand Jury "without charges" which is actually a way to protect the good guy but can't help but make you nervous.

There are some license holders who have the attitude "I protect myself and mine all others call 911." I understand that and feel a bit that way myself but in a case like this, well you have to live with yourself.

[Vern Humphrey]

Maybe what we ought to do is have a fund to compensate people who save others, and wind up being unconvenienced.

[Allen]

Fear of engaging for a lot of reasons may be an issue but Texas has some of the most generous use of deadly force laws in the country, probably the most generous. It is true that if you fire a gun in a crowded store and hit somebody other than the gunman you will be responsible for that....everywhere. That said, in this state, if a civilian had taken out the bad guy and the bad guy only he would not have a problem here, though he would be inconvenienced in the investigation.

You may have a point but here lately all I see is police having a hard time defended their actions. W/o making a mountain out of a mole hill I'll speak of one recent case in Mobile, AL. A MPD officer pulled a black guy over for driving a stolen vehicle. The black guy hops out of the car with a stolen pistol after the cop ordered him to stay put. The cop blows him away and is put on administrative leave for months till the courts decided whether to prosecute the cop or not. If a civilian had done the same thing he would never see freedom again from the jail.

Now in a case like today if it were a matter of kill or be killed the laws wouldn't matter but to try to defend others from injury? The judges twist our laws around to suit themselves and to look PC.

[Art]

Maybe what we ought to do is have a fund to compensate people who save others, and wind up being unconvenienced.

Not a bad idea. There are what amount to legal insurance policies for that but I don't know how many people use them. Here the most popular is "Texas Law Shield."

[Art]

We claim to be the most civilized nation on earth ....

Most technologically advanced, yes. Most free, absolutely. Most civilized....I don't think so.

[Allen]

Most civilized....I don't think so.

WAY too much diversity in America now. It has destroyed our public school system and continues to erode our rights and freedoms away.