El Paso shooter

[Sandpebble]

WAY too much diversity in America now. It has destroyed our public school system and continues to erode our rights and freedoms away.

and so .... we shoot each other.

[Art]

WAY too much diversity in America now. It has destroyed our public school system and continues to erode our rights and freedoms away.

The problem isn't diversity its assimilation. We assimilated large numbers of assorted Europeans, Latinos, and Asians until last quarter of the 20th century. Under Jim Crow black people dreamed of participating fully in the opportunities of this country. The problem is that large numbers of people here now, including white people of northern European heritage reject the social contract of this country; just watch the Democrat Presidential Candidate Debates. Other places have the same problem which is why there were about 1,300 stabbings in "civilized" London last year, over one in ten of which were fatal, despite draconian "knife control" policies including a proposal to blunt kitchen knives.

Unfortunately these mass shootings of people with whom the shooter has no actual personal grievance are largely a pathology of white males, especially young white males.

[clintonhater]

WAY too much diversity in America now. It has destroyed our public school system and continues to erode our rights and freedoms away.

Diversity, so called, is the sure-fire recipe for social friction & disharmony. How many THOUSANDS of times have you heard "diversity" praised, extolled as the greatest blessing in our society, etc., without ONCE having heard anyone explain WHY it benefits our society? It's always stated as a self-evident "truth" requiring no defense or explanation. Having a population of people with different values, tastes, & traditions promotes what benefits to society? Unusual restaurants? That's worth the huge degree of social divisiveness in this country?

[S.A. Boggs]

WAY too much diversity in America now. It has destroyed our public school system and continues to erode our rights and freedoms away.

Who knows why anyone does anything, the more we try to find out the more complex it appears to be. America is different from the rest of the world in many ways. We are not subjects of the "crown", not socialist [yet] or under the thumb of a dictator. People have to be made to understand that their is no police protection under the Constitution for an individual. This is law per the Supreme Court and the Constitution. "Provide for the common defense" is all that is required and apparently this is the legal justification. The other reality is that banning guns is disarming all police, as the police will be targeted for pdw.
What is society to do? Criminals do not fear punishment, only getting caught is their big fear. Psychotic people is a whole different thing that have many factors to bear. The other thing that can be done is to "monitor" all types of communication to see a type of anger.
The only thing I can see the need for is for the common person to protect self unless one is in agreement of a TOTAL POLICE STATE with TOTAL PEOPLE CONTROL.
Sam

[togor]

The problem with hunting the shooter is that if you don't get him right away, then the cops will get you. Expectation has to be cops arriving at an active shooter situation will drop on sight anyone they see armed. Surprised this isn't talked about more often.

[devildog]

Same old/Same old

We (most of us) know what it will take to reduce these things...Nut cases go for soft targets and want to be noticed. An eye witness saw this orangutan dressed in black and wearing ear protection toting a weapon.. Sweet Jesus, call 911..notify somebody, do something...
Shortly we will find out Screwloose has been on the sky line before for acting/doing wacky things and being his crazy self. Police may or may not have been told or notified of this loonys past behavior but fear of getting involved caused delay. Already, assorted folks of a liberal bent wannabees are singing the songs of big bad guns and we need to eliminate such horrible items from existence... It IS a mental health thing, THAT should be the focus not firearms. And now stand by for days of his face and name plastered endlessly on TV and papers. That's what he is seeking.
As to a CHL holder getting involved in a situation like this in a crowded mall, I would think twice as responders are rushing to the scene seen holding a weapon....

Semper Fi! devildog

[Vern Humphrey]

We (most of us) know what it will take to reduce these things...Nut cases go for soft targets and want to be noticed. An eye witness saw this orangutan dressed in black and wearing ear protection toting a weapon.. Sweet Jesus, call 911..notify somebody, do something...
Shortly we will find out Screwloose has been on the sky line before for acting/doing wacky things and being his crazy self. Police may or may not have been told or notified of this loonys past behavior but fear of getting involved caused delay. Already, assorted folks of a liberal bent wannabees are singing the songs of big bad guns and we need to eliminate such horrible items from existence... It IS a mental health thing, THAT should be the focus not firearms. And now stand by for days of his face and name plastered endlessly on TV and papers. That's what he is seeking.
As to a CHL holder getting involved in a situation like this in a crowded mall, I would think twice as responders are rushing to the scene seen holding a weapon....

Semper Fi! devildog

As soon as you no longer need it, put the weapon down.

[Art]

...As to a CHL holder getting involved in a situation like this in a crowded mall, I would think twice as responders are rushing to the scene seen holding a weapon....

Semper Fi! devildog

And that too....

[Art]

Unfortunately the original death toll was way low, as usual. The official death toll as of right now is 20 with 24 wounded.

[S.A. Boggs]

And that too....

I did the "Street Survival" course on what is now called an active shooter. We were taught that unless we were sure of what was going on to treat EVERYONE with a weapon as a possible criminal. In today's light I would respond as I was taught to do and have done many times. My last time was helping our Sheriff keep a criminal from escaping using physical means that I was taught to do.
What I would do in a present situation is dependent on what the present situation demands and act accordingly. One thing for darned sure I would not do anything to draw friendly fire or pose any type of threat to any LEO.
Soft targets are just that, what is business to do? A door greeter would have just been shot, hidden armed security close to any entrance is a possibility that society can demand. With that will come increased cost to provide the security. People are demanding metal security, what good would it have done? Having gone thru metal detectors many times the alarm will be constantly sounding off.
People will have to take personal responsibility or accept a police state with "papers please!" mentality. Is this what YOU WANT as America?
Sam

[Art]

well, nobody here wants a "papers please" country. Metal detectors wouldn't have helped in this case since he apparently (according to initial reports) started shooting outside the store.

Early reports indicate this shooter was a 21 year old white guy from Allen Texas close to Dallas who drove across 3/4 of Texas to do this. Allen is a very affluent community with a median income around $100,000.00 per year. For you football fans, this year's Heisman Trophy winner, Kyler Murray is from Allen.

[Allen]

As soon as you no longer need it, put the weapon down.

What if you're in the middle of doing business? The cops won't know friend from foe when they first arrive and will tend to shoot the shooter.

[clintonhater]

What if you're in the middle of doing business? The cops won't know friend from foe when they first arrive and will tend to shoot the shooter.

The "business" wouldn't last more than a few seconds, so there's probably time, if one is capable of thinking fast & clearly, of identifying one's self; if you're NOT capable of exercising that kind of judgment, you have no business packing.

[retread12345]

NO EXPERT . Just an off the wall guess here. Drug history ? Personality aberrations? Social media preferences? Married ? Engaged ? Porno freak ?
Waiting for the "Looney Tunes" arrest photo.

[Roadkingtrax]

A clear example of stochastic terrorism driven by politically driven rhetoric in this country. Another angry Incel?