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  • dogtag
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 14985

    #1

    Where did all our Warships go ? ...

    The place is crowded with British and American warships
    whose primary job is to guard the oil tankers, but Iran
    seems to able to capture the tankers without any problem.
    The Gulf of Hormuz is a relatively small area - surely can't
    be that hard to keep a wary eye on where those Iranian
    boats set out from.
    Of course, if you believe the Mullahs, they were all in their
    territorial waters. I find it hard to believe the Mullahs.

    TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iranian forces seized a ship in the Persian Gulf suspected of carrying smuggled fuel, state media reported Sunday, marking the Revolutionary Guard's third seizure of a vessel in recent weeks and the latest show of strength by the paramilitary force amid a spike in regional tensio
  • blackhawknj
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 3754

    #2
    Restrictive rules of engagement, having to go through too many levels of chain of command, undermanned ships that are in need of repair.....

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    • RED
      Very Senior Member - OFC
      • Aug 2009
      • 11689

      #3
      First of all they are not OUR ships... Secondly, if the Iranians close the Hormuz passage, it is going to make our oil out of the Dakota reserves more valuable... think about it...

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      • togor
        Banned
        • Nov 2009
        • 17610

        #4
        $4/gal gas might make the guys working the Bakken busy (including my brother in law) but most people won't like it.

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        • dogtag
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 14985

          #5
          Originally posted by RED
          First of all they are not OUR ships... Secondly, if the Iranians close the Hormuz passage, it is going to make our oil out of the Dakota reserves more valuable... think about it...
          How could the Iranians close the Straits with their little PT boats
          when there are two US carrier battle groups there, plus the Brits ?
          Unless of course they're armed with slingshots.

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          • togor
            Banned
            • Nov 2009
            • 17610

            #6
            Mine the waters. Not up on the latest naval mine tech but it wouldn't surprise me if some of the newer models resist sweeping.

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            • togor
              Banned
              • Nov 2009
              • 17610

              #7
              For DT

              Iran's naval forces are no match for the US Navy and its partners, but Tehran often relies on asymmetric tactics, and one weapon it could bring to bear in the Persian Gulf may present a particular challenge for the Navy.


              The bad news? The Navy's next-gen anti mine approach is drone oriented, controlled from Littoral Combat Ships--another new platform that doesn't work.
              Last edited by togor; 08-05-2019, 04:05.

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              • Allen
                Moderator
                • Sep 2009
                • 10583

                #8
                Originally posted by RED
                First of all they are not OUR ships... Secondly, if the Iranians close the Hormuz passage, it is going to make our oil out of the Dakota reserves more valuable... think about it...
                Iran needs to be taught a lesson once and for all that the Hormuz pass does not belong to them, but, it isn't our job to do so. Other countries have to rely on that narrow pass too for shipments and should be the ones trying to remedy the problem. The arab nations are drowning in money. They should be the ones who settle things. Some of the small scattered islands that are in the pass need to be taken over by neutral parties too (whoever that may be). I don't know why England and other countries don't escort their tankers better than they do. Iran seems to have an itchy trigger finger these days, I guess they know they have the backing of Russia.

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                • Vern Humphrey
                  Administrator - OFC
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 15875

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Allen
                  Iran needs to be taught a lesson once and for all that the Hormuz pass does not belong to them, but, it isn't our job to do so. Other countries have to rely on that narrow pass too for shipments and should be the ones trying to remedy the problem. The arab nations are drowning in money. They should be the ones who settle things. Some of the small scattered islands that are in the pass need to be taken over by neutral parties too (whoever that may be). I don't know why England and other countries don't escort their tankers better than they do. Iran seems to have an itchy trigger finger these days, I guess they know they have the backing of Russia.
                  You're right. During Desert Storm, some US troops wearing the American flag as a shoulder patch put the words, "Doing the job of" followed by the flags of all the European nations.

                  We shouldn't do their work for them -- but we can HELP them when they get off their butts.

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                  • m1ashooter
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2011
                    • 3220

                    #10
                    Fact check the Brits have 3 of their 21 ship Navy now in the Gulf area. Yep the once mighty Royal Navy isn't too mighty any longer. As long as the ships the Iranians are taken aren't US flagged and crewed ships I really don't care how many ships are taken. Let the Gulf states who have spent billions of dollars on their defense budgets police the waters.
                    To Error Is Human To Forgive Is Not SAC Policy

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                    • Vern Humphrey
                      Administrator - OFC
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 15875

                      #11
                      Originally posted by m1ashooter
                      Fact check the Brits have 3 of their 21 ship Navy now in the Gulf area. Yep the once mighty Royal Navy isn't too mighty any longer. As long as the ships the Iranians are taken aren't US flagged and crewed ships I really don't care how many ships are taken. Let the Gulf states who have spent billions of dollars on their defense budgets police the waters.
                      The problem with that is, it may bring on a general war in the Gulf. The Iranians can't fight us, but they can fight the Gulf states, and we may be pushed into a position where we either go to war with Iran, or allow them to take over the whole Arabian Peninsula.

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                      • Allen
                        Moderator
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 10583

                        #12
                        If this don't bring us into war I guess nothing will. It also explains how they are able to seize other ships so easily.

                        Iranian forces are actively using GPS jammers and pretend to be U.S. or allies’ warships to trick commercial vessels into traveling through Iranian waters and then seize them, federal government officials say.

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                        • Vern Humphrey
                          Administrator - OFC
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 15875

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Allen
                          If this don't bring us into war I guess nothing will. It also explains how they are able to seize other ships so easily.

                          https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-g...-trick-vessels
                          No, that won't generate a real war -- we just need to punish these guys a bit.

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