Our two Ohio Senators @ Dayton

**togor** · 08-05-2019, 03:40

Some people put mass shootings in the same category of public threat as Islamic or Irish (if you're British) terrorism. This is not a crazy thing to do from a pure body count perspective.

**lyman** · 08-05-2019, 01:57

Originally posted by togor

Some people put mass shootings in the same category of public threat as Islamic or Irish (if you're British) terrorism. This is not a crazy thing to do from a pure body count perspective.

I think you may have missed his point

**S.A. Boggs** · 08-05-2019, 02:24

Originally posted by lyman

I think you may have missed his point

Is Togor and let it go at that!
Sam

**togor** · 08-05-2019, 02:28

Originally posted by lyman

I think you may have missed his point

Actually no. But you missed mine.

After 9/11, did we stop to bury the bodies and clear the rubble before turning to what to do about it? Clearly no. If leaders have concluded that we have a domestic terrorism problem, then looking sad and assiduously avoiding the topic is the wrong approach.

Below, my all time favorite George W. Bush moment. Mind you, it's not a long list but this one was good.

**lyman** · 08-05-2019, 05:39

ok, togor,

step back,

take a deep breath,,

maybe sip a beverage,

then re read Sam's post,,
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My wife and I watched them speak yesterday listening to what they had to say. Our Demoncratic Senator looked pretty in his suit and tie and got right to work spouting the tired party line of gun control...nothing of substance. Our Republican Senator looked just the opposite with an open collar, no tie and a stunned look on this face. As he spoke with a sad voice he connected to my wife and I. His stunned look and voice is how my wife and I have felt since we got the news Sunday morning and the question of why? Went to Church and people had the same feeling that our Senator had. Watched Biden and Booker with the same hateful look and voice of anger that repulsed my wife and I.
Scripture states there is a time and a place for everything, everything..,
One Senator connected with us as a human being asking "Why?" The other promised to find a way to "give" safety and at the same time to take something my family already has personal freedom of protection.
Sam

the way I read it was one guy stopped what he was doing, not dressed to the 9's, and made a compassionate speech about the event that unfolded,

the other guy was dressed in his finest, and spoke from the playbook,,

regardless of the reason for the conversation,, which would you connect with?

it's not a trick question, and ignore the R and D part,,, just imagine the visuals and words,,,

**togor** · 08-05-2019, 06:48

Hi Lyman,

We have Sam's account and there's no question as to the connection he made. Free country, no issue, except that for us to confirm his impression, we'd have to see the video for ourselves, yes?

So I'll speak to the general point, often made, that talking policy in the aftermath of a tragedy is automatically bad form. All I'm saying is.....not necessarily.

**lyman** · 08-05-2019, 07:43

Originally posted by togor

Hi Lyman,

We have Sam's account and there's no question as to the connection he made. Free country, no issue, except that for us to confirm his impression, we'd have to see the video for ourselves, yes?

So I'll speak to the general point, often made, that talking policy in the aftermath of a tragedy is automatically bad form. All I'm saying is.....not necessarily.

jeez,,,,,

you step out tonight to take a walk,

you make a turn by the tracks and get hit by that train,

nothing but a grease spot on the L&N..

do you think your wife and kids was to hear a politician say how sorry he is that happened, and be sincere, or at least seem that way

(that togor,, taken in his prime by a senseless accident,, what will the little Wharvey girls do now,,,,)

or would you rather they heard some dressed up guy talk about how there should be crosswalks and safe spaces at the tracks,,,,

one man's opinion of how his Senator's spoke after the incident, ,

you related to the prime minister in NZ?

**S.A. Boggs** · 08-06-2019, 02:41

Originally posted by lyman

jeez,,,,,

you step out tonight to take a walk,

you make a turn by the tracks and get hit by that train,

nothing but a grease spot on the L&N..

do you think your wife and kids was to hear a politician say how sorry he is that happened, and be sincere, or at least seem that way

(that togor,, taken in his prime by a senseless accident,, what will the little Wharvey girls do now,,,,)

or would you rather they heard some dressed up guy talk about how there should be crosswalks and safe spaces at the tracks,,,,

one man's opinion of how his Senator's spoke after the incident, ,

you related to the prime minister in NZ?

Lyman, Togey can't see beyond the socialist demoncratic playbook. Togey is the two year old who never advance past that emotional stage.
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**togor** · 08-06-2019, 04:06

Actually Lyman, your reaction is more severe than either Boggs original point or my commentary on it.

Can't find the video of the broadcast that Sam mentioned, but here is a CNN clip of Sherrod Brown on CNN. Calling him 'pretty'.. maybe to Sam, but anyways, he explains his position pretty well. Many disagree with it, but many agree, and if those people break through, could be big changes that we don't like. Every one of these shootings is a skirmish point, with the people opposing regulation determined that no sympathy should accrue to the pro-regulation cause. That's all that this is.

**togor** · 08-06-2019, 04:55

The script is well established now, such that if Senator Portman showed up looking ashen, at least he can say he did something--he looked and acted really sad. But sorry to say the anti-gunners have clearly cracked the code on this particular device. We live in a country full of Ashley's Laws, or Megan's Laws, or similar, which is to say laws that honor victims and their families/communities by trying to prevent further occurrences of specific tragedies. One can easily imagine conservative politicians signing onto these laws for the right crime, so it isn't as if they object to such laws on principle. The point being that this script isn't working anymore, and hiding behind genuine grief a determination to do nothing is (in its own way) politicizing the victims too.

**lyman** · 08-06-2019, 08:47

all I am trying to convey is that one person (in this case Sam) saw 2 folks on TV ,

one tried to convey sympathy for the deceased and their family, and was successful in getting that point across to at least one viewer watching,,

the other, jumped in policy and political desires from the event first, and did not make that connection,,

back to that train,,

would you want the folks that notified your kin express sadness and sympathy for your loss,

or have the police officer look at your wife and after they tell her you are that grease spot , how much do you want for your truck?

and it's a movie reference BTW,,,,

**togor** · 08-06-2019, 11:07

Lyman,

Yes, Sam's account is understood, and he's free to remember it any way he chooses. But without seeing the vid for ourselves, we cannot determine if his account is slanted or not. I doubt Sam cares much for Senator Brown. It's also possible that many in the audience share Sen. Brown's desire for action. Perhaps we can agree this is an Eye of the Beholder thing, or am I just doing it wrong?

**S.A. Boggs** · 08-06-2019, 12:40

Originally posted by lyman

all I am trying to convey is that one person (in this case Sam) saw 2 folks on TV ,

one tried to convey sympathy for the deceased and their family, and was successful in getting that point across to at least one viewer watching,,

the other, jumped in policy and political desires from the event first, and did not make that connection,,

back to that train,,

would you want the folks that notified your kin express sadness and sympathy for your loss,

or have the police officer look at your wife and after they tell her you are that grease spot , how much do you want for your truck?

and it's a movie reference BTW,,,,

Togey will continue to hammer you that he is right. The mentally challenged have this problem and cannot change.
Sam

**dogtag** · 08-06-2019, 12:47

Mass shootings are seen by democrats as opportunities.
They are seen by republicans as sad.

Our two Ohio Senators @ Dayton

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