Background checks

[S.A. Boggs]

With the exception of National Socialist states, background checks are already in place to begin with. In Ohio I am fingerprinted, photographed, and an FBI background exam. If I pass all of these [I have had worse exams for the clinic] I then pay $45.00 which is good for 5 years for my CCW. forgot to mention the 8 hour class and exam. If the federal government would pass this then the problem would be solved. No CCW no gun and the license is good in all of the United States. My driver, marriage license is good every where why not my CCW?
Sam

[lyman]

what states?
the one's that don't allow Concealed Carry?

[Roadkingtrax]

The party line is always that background checks are a camel nose under the tent to confiscations.

I guess that frog temperature is increasing, if 2nd Amendment traditionalists are consenting to background checks on all transfers and "Red Flag" laws?

Some states have CCW without the need of classes, licenses, and checks, but that's a rare thing where some live.

[Mark in Ottawa]

I've mentioned this before but in Canada to get a firearms licence, you have to take a course on firearms knowledge and safety and then pass both a written and practical exam on the subject. You then submit an application along with a photo and the names of two references. The references are always contacted and the police do a criminal background check. If you are married or in a common law relationship your spouse is requested to sign the form (this is just in case you have homicidal intentions; if she won't sign, then you can send in the application but the spouse will be informed that you are seeking a permit). Once you get your permit, there is no delay in purchasing any number of non-restricted firearms or ammunition. Purchasing a restricted firearm (e..g a handgun) involves a bit of process but is not a serious impediment.

Generally most owners are comfortable with the process since it gives you some confidence that the guy on the next bench has a few clues about safety

The process may sound a bit onerous but really is pretty reasonable. In fact, one of my daughters just got her permit and the other is about to send in her application.

Note that the big difference between Canada and the US is that in the US, firearms ownership is a right and in Canada it is a privilege that can be controlled by the government

[Allen]

Register the person, not their guns.

[Sandpebble]

I've mentioned this before but in Canada to get a firearms licence, you have to take a course on firearms knowledge and safety and then pass both a written and practical exam on the subject. You then submit an application along with a photo and the names of two references. The references are always contacted and the police do a criminal background check. If you are married or in a common law relationship your spouse is requested to sign the form (this is just in case you have homicidal intentions; if she won't sign, then you can send in the application but the spouse will be informed that you are seeking a permit). Once you get your permit, there is no delay in purchasing any number of non-restricted firearms or ammunition. Purchasing a restricted firearm (e..g a handgun) involves a bit of process but is not a serious impediment.

Generally most owners are comfortable with the process since it gives you some confidence that the guy on the next bench has a few clues about safety

The process may sound a bit onerous but really is pretty reasonable. In fact, one of my daughters just got her permit and the other is about to send in her application.

Note that the big difference between Canada and the US is that in the US, firearms ownership is a right and in Canada it is a privilege that can be controlled by the government

Gee Mark ... with all that "responsible gun ownership" up there in Canada it appears the only thing you guys are lacking is endless mass murders .....

Well done Canada

[blackhawknj]

How about background checks for purchasers of alcohol and MJ ? Tie it into the driver's license. A would be purchaser has to present his driver's license, if he gets a hit-a DUI-no booze for you.
Gunowners should be subject to the same rigorous background checks as parents.

[JohnPeeff]

That's a good point. How many deaths are caused by impaired young drivers?

[Allen]

A good point about the alcohol but someone with restrictions could always get someone to buy it for them or just take it or drink it in someone's home who has alcohol. A while back Red posted a thread about stills on ebay and noted that on some of the listings they claimed to have sold hundreds of that one particular model and if you check there are many listings plus a person can make one from scratch. This would not only be hard to track but one person who makes whiskey sells to others regardless of restrictions.

Background checks are already done on gun purchases but I think all they check is your record, not if you're a nutcase or something. Thing is some of these cases where a mentally disturbed person goes off the deep end has a clean record up to that point so background checks are not always that useful. A person who intends to commit a crime and use a gun doing it can most always obtain one by stealing one, even if it is from a police car.

In short, about the only sure way to keep someone from obtaining and consuming alcohol is to sew their mouths close---the Gaddafi way.
To keep someone from obtaining and shooting a weapon of any kind---cut their hands off---also the Gaddafi way.

With overpopulation, diversity, vagrance, open borders, corrupt judges, lack of parenting skills, absence of the family and most of all lack of enforcements of our laws, we will always have crime with increasing numbers till things change.

Background checks primarily check out the law abiding consumers. A person with a record isn't going to be making a gun purchase at a gun shop.

[togor]

But Allen he can buy a gun from someone who did.

[m1ashooter]

We have a background check system in place that doesn't work very well at times so why do we think something magical is going to change to make it work better? Fat chance of that happening. We have shootings every weekend in Chicago, are background checks working there? No they aren't. Neither of the current mass murders failed the background check to buy their weapons. I went to purchase an AR 15 one day and my background check came back Pending. How the frig did that happen? I have no criminal record, have had my background thoroughly investigated by the Defense Investigative Service twice and granted a Top Secret SIOP/ESI/SBI at age 23 yet my request came back pending. A few years later it went right through on another purchase. If every gov't agency and medical person entered correct data in the system then I'd support a background check program but its full of holes now.

[S.A. Boggs]

We have a background check system in place that doesn't work very well at times so why do we think something magical is going to change to make it work better? Fat chance of that happening. We have shootings every weekend in Chicago, are background checks working there? No they aren't. Neither of the current mass murders failed the background check to buy their weapons. I went to purchase an AR 15 one day and my background check came back Pending. How the frig did that happen? I have no criminal record, have had my background thoroughly investigated by the Defense Investigative Service twice and granted a Top Secret SIOP/ESI/SBI at age 23 yet my request came back pending. A few years later it went right through on another purchase. If every gov't agency and medical person entered correct data in the system then I'd support a background check program but its full of holes now.

Same happened to me! To work at the clinic I had to do a complete background investigation, criminal as well as educational and it took 50 days for all the results to come back. Let's include ethanol/tobacco and see how the general public now feels about background checks!
Sam

[lyman]

We have a background check system in place that doesn't work very well at times so why do we think something magical is going to change to make it work better? Fat chance of that happening. We have shootings every weekend in Chicago, are background checks working there? No they aren't. Neither of the current mass murders failed the background check to buy their weapons. I went to purchase an AR 15 one day and my background check came back Pending. How the frig did that happen? I have no criminal record, have had my background thoroughly investigated by the Defense Investigative Service twice and granted a Top Secret SIOP/ESI/SBI at age 23 yet my request came back pending. A few years later it went right through on another purchase. If every gov't agency and medical person entered correct data in the system then I'd support a background check program but its full of holes now.

all that you mentioned does not matter,

In Va, we area POC (Point of Contact) state, re NICS,
as in, we (FFL holders) are registered with the state and run the background check thru the State Police,

we input the info I put in the other post (basically the stuff on the top of the 4473)

the State Police transmit that data (we input either by phone call, or by an online app) to NICS and their data base, (Va started this due to holes in the federal system)

if you are delayed (options are approved, delay, deny for us) or as you say pending, then someone, somewhere, has a record, and a similar name to you,

delayus here can be a few minutes, to a week or more, depending on where you were born

all the delay means is that someone has to stop, look, and verify that you are you,, not that person with the record or other offense

[togor]

We have a background check system in place that doesn't work very well at times so why do we think something magical is going to change to make it work better? Fat chance of that happening. We have shootings every weekend in Chicago, are background checks working there? No they aren't. Neither of the current mass murders failed the background check to buy their weapons. I went to purchase an AR 15 one day and my background check came back Pending. How the frig did that happen? I have no criminal record, have had my background thoroughly investigated by the Defense Investigative Service twice and granted a Top Secret SIOP/ESI/SBI at age 23 yet my request came back pending. A few years later it went right through on another purchase. If every gov't agency and medical person entered correct data in the system then I'd support a background check program but its full of holes now.

Are you ignoring the loopholes? I bring this point up from time to time, but no one seems to want to consider it. We have a system of half-measures. If the argument is that "half-measures won't work", well the counter-argument is "stop only using half-measures".

A rough analogy would be: complaint about the poor quality of the motor oil, how it fails to protect engines, only to discover on closer scrutiny that the user is only putting in 1/2 of the recommended amount, because of another complaint: the high price of motor oil. If at some point the choice is between stringent background checks or no guns at all, is it really a hard choice? Not for me. As others have said, lots of other activities require such checks. They are part of life now.

[Allen]

When I got my CCW permit years ago the gun shop owner I deal with said it speeded things up when making a gun purchase and made mention of some of the delays that were encountered sometimes. He was able to keep my info on file and present it to the database when I made a purchase. I still had to fill out the paperwork though. Everything takes about 15 minutes from "in the door to out the door". I bought a rifle from a seller on GB last week (thought I was through buying) and had it sent to my FFL dealer. When I went to pick it up the owner said the BATF had changed everything again and I had to go back to presenting my DL instead of using the CCW info on file. Though this only added about 5 extra minutes it does show that things are changing on the "other end". It looks like they are making sure all info is as current as possible.