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  • barretcreek
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2013
    • 6065

    #1

    You don't need a gun



    We're here to protect you.
  • Vern Humphrey
    Administrator - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 15875

    #2
    When law enforcement is crooked -- and there will always be crooks in law enforcement -- citizens need to be able to protect themselves.

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    • togor
      Banned
      • Nov 2009
      • 17610

      #3
      Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
      When law enforcement is crooked -- and there will always be crooks in law enforcement -- citizens need to be able to protect themselves.
      You're advocating that people take up arms against the state. That kind of anti-social attitude only strengthens the anti-gunners' case. Name one time where the answer to systemic police corruption was return fire.
      Last edited by togor; 08-16-2019, 01:57.

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      • blackhawknj
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2011
        • 3754

        #4
        "Who guards the guardians ?"

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        • Allen
          Moderator
          • Sep 2009
          • 10583

          #5
          Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
          When law enforcement is crooked -- and there will always be crooks in law enforcement -- citizens need to be able to protect themselves.
          As the 2nd clearly states---it isn't about duck hunting.

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          • Vern Humphrey
            Administrator - OFC
            • Aug 2009
            • 15875

            #6
            Originally posted by Allen
            As the 2nd clearly states---it isn't about duck hunting.
            Exactly right.

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            • dogtag
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 14985

              #7
              Originally posted by Allen
              As the 2nd clearly states---it isn't about duck hunting.
              Good. I like Ducks.
              I hope it's not about hunting Penguins either, because I like Penguins.

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              • Vern Humphrey
                Administrator - OFC
                • Aug 2009
                • 15875

                #8
                Originally posted by dogtag
                Good. I like Ducks.
                I hope it's not about hunting Penguins either, because I like Penguins.
                There is a place for all of God's creatures -- right next to the potatoes and gravy.

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                • dogtag
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 14985

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                  There is a place for all of God's creatures -- right next to the potatoes and gravy.
                  You'd eat a Penguin ?

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                  • Vern Humphrey
                    Administrator - OFC
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 15875

                    #10
                    Originally posted by dogtag
                    You'd eat a Penguin ?
                    Haven't you -- they taste like a cross between a Bald Eagle and a Spotted Owl.

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                    • dryheat
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 10587

                      #11
                      When Climate Change ends life as we know it, that will be good to know.

                      I will be disappointed if I don't get to try rattlesnake.
                      Last edited by dryheat; 08-16-2019, 10:25.
                      If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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                      • S.A. Boggs
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 8569

                        #12
                        Didn't the Supreme Court also rule an individual does not have the right to any police protection according to the Constitution? Of course if one is a National Socialist that is different isn't it?
                        Sam

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                        • Vern Humphrey
                          Administrator - OFC
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 15875

                          #13
                          Originally posted by S.A. Boggs
                          Didn't the Supreme Court also rule an individual does not have the right to any police protection according to the Constitution? Of course if one is a National Socialist that is different isn't it?
                          Sam
                          They did rule that way. And yet when judges issued Concealed Carry permits under the old discretionary system in Virginia, anti-gun judges routinely told petitioners "The police will protect you."

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                          • lyman
                            Administrator - OFC
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 11270

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                            When law enforcement is crooked -- and there will always be crooks in law enforcement -- citizens need to be able to protect themselves.
                            Originally posted by togor
                            You're advocating that people take up arms against the state. That kind of anti-social attitude only strengthens the anti-gunners' case. Name one time where the answer to systemic police corruption was return fire.
                            I read it as a person has the right to protect themselves,,,

                            he did not mention shooting cops,


                            btw, did you read the article,, it mentioned gang members intimidating,, not the police


                            (CNN)The Department of Justice says one of its own "repeatedly" helped the Bloods street gang protect its interests by identifying and exposing informants and cooperating witnesses.

                            Tawanna Hilliard works in an administrative role for the US Attorney's Office for the District of New Jersey, court documents say. According to the US Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, over a period of more than two years, Hilliard used her access to information to help her son Tyquan Hilliard, 28, and his gang, the 5-9 Brims set of the Bloods.
                            Authorities have charged the Hilliards with six felony counts: witness tampering and harassment, obstruction of justice and conspiracy to tamper with a witness. Each carries a maximum 20-year prison sentence.
                            Tawanna Hilliard is also charged with illegally obtaining information from a protected government computer.
                            The Hilliards' lawyer has not responded to a request for comment.
                            Court records show that Tawanna Hilliard pleaded not guilty to the charges and is out on $75,000 bail. Tyquan Hilliard has not yet be arraigned on the charges; he's currently in a New York state prison serving the remainder of an 11-year sentence for robbery and assault.
                            The indictment says that the crimes began in 2016, when "a high-ranking member" of the gang told Hilliard to use her access at work to determine whether people were cooperating with law enforcement.
                            Officials found out about it only because Tawanna Hilliard called Tyquan Hilliard while he was serving a six-year sentence in a New York state prison for possession of a loaded firearm, according to court documents. Prison phone calls are recorded and monitored.
                            Tawanna Hilliard is also accused of looking up information on the gang member who allegedly told her to report back on informants. In another prison call, the mother and son discussed other gang members who would "use violence" against that "high-ranking member," the documents say. Tyquan was irritated that the member involved his mother.
                            The district attorney also says that after Tyquan's release from prison, when he was arrested in connection with a store robbery, his mother tried to intimidate accomplices who had confessed.

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                            • togor
                              Banned
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 17610

                              #15
                              Lyman you don't know for a fact that he isn't endorsing self-protection against cops he judges to be crooked. That strikes me as the most logical explanation, because no one argues that there are enough cops to be everywhere, honest or not. At best his statement is a non-sequitur. Regarding your story. Glad they caught the lady. Hopefully word of her prosecution gets out and deters any others.

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