Another shooting in Tx.

[Allen]

I just read where the wacko in Texas called LEO and the FBI to keep them in the loop

So much for red flags. I'm speaking of actual red flags not the red flag law.

[togor]

So much for red flags. I'm speaking of actual red flags not the red flag law.

Actual red flags, like in NASCAR, or the NFL?

[lyman]

Actual red flags, like in NASCAR, or the NFL?

funny,

I was thinking Maggie's Drawers flying over a range,,


anyhoo,,


read somewhere he had priors that were handled in a way (thru the courts) that they did not show on his records,, and then heard on the radio this morning that he failed a background check somewhere and now the police were digging into how he got the firearms,

[Allen]

Red flags of any type pretty much mean the same thing. If the law isn't going to at least listen to warnings and watch someone then it's all for nothing.

No need to take their guns, burn their house, kill their first born, etc, etc but observe for abnormal behavior, check records, talk to others that know this person. Word will get back to him that he is under the microscope.

[m1ashooter]

The guy had problems and the police and FBI have stated. Because of this the news has moved on. Now there is the divers that got killed in the fire and the Hurricane.

[Vern Humphrey]

funny,

I was thinking Maggie's Drawers flying over a range,,

When I was an adviser, we had a big living bunker on top of a hill at a place called Ap Dung Dap. We could go up there for sun baths. One day we were up there, and KAPLOW! We scrambled down quick!

From then on, every time we went up there, the same thing happened -- KAPLOW!

After a while I went down to the village market and bought a length of red cloth and fastened it to a bamboo pole. The next time he shot at us, I gave him Maggie's Drawers. We cracked up. That guy musta fired at us a hundred times, and never got a hit. We almost wore out Maggie's Drawers.

Then one day, he didn't show up. Then we got a call on the radio -- some guy had been driving down the road not far from us, and been shot between the eyes.

Hmmmmmm.

[S.A. Boggs]

funny,

I was thinking Maggie's Drawers flying over a range,,


anyhoo,,


read somewhere he had priors that were handled in a way (thru the courts) that they did not show on his records,, and then heard on the radio this morning that he failed a background check somewhere and now the police were digging into how he got the firearms,

Maybe we gunners could use this as reference to what the legislators are trying to do to us.
Sam

[togor]

Maybe we gunners could use this as reference to what the legislators are trying to do to us.
Sam

Lyman points out that the guy used the FTF loophole and this is your nonsensical reply?

[lyman]

Maybe we gunners could use this as reference to what the legislators are trying to do to us.
Sam

do you know what Maggies Drawers are?

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Lyman points out that the guy used the FTF loophole and this is your nonsensical reply?

not a loop hole,

FTF, 2 folks making a transaction for personal property, perfectly legal, now,

if the seller knew of his background (Supposed mental health issues caused him to fail a background check sometime in the past,, supposedly) then that seller may catch some flack, and time,

if he did not, then he did not break the law

[S.A. Boggs]

Lyman sometimes one wonders about your intellect stimulation...I do! Emotional stability between + or - within the Bell Curve.
Sam

[togor]

do you know what Maggies Drawers are?

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not a loop hole,

FTF, 2 folks making a transaction for personal property, perfectly legal, now,

if the seller knew of his background (Supposed mental health issues caused him to fail a background check sometime in the past,, supposedly) then that seller may catch some flack, and time,

if he did not, then he did not break the law

Sounds like a loophole to me. He was able to purchase a gun to which he was not otherwise eligible without anyone else subject to prosecution. How is that NOT a loophole?

[lyman]

how is an individual selling an item to another individual a loophole,


a firearm is private property, just like a TV or broom

no law in this state, or the one the crime happened in that says you cannot sell a firearm individual to individual so no loop hole, just like the gunshow loophole is a falacy

[togor]

how is an individual selling an item to another individual a loophole,


a firearm is private property, just like a TV or broom

no law in this state, or the one the crime happened in that says you cannot sell a firearm individual to individual so no loop hole, just like the gunshow loophole is a falacy

Why are you convoluting this? It's not a TV or a broom.

The buyer was not able to buy a gun through channel A (dealer and NICS/4473 route), so he goes through channel B (local FTF sale, seller unaware of his background and not obligated to run a background check).

In Webster's definition of a loophole:

especially: an ambiguity or omission in the text through which the intent of a statute, contract, or obligation may be evaded

In this case, the obligation to be purchase-eligible (that is, to be able to pass a background check whether one is run or not).

Simple question: what is the intent of listing him in NICS? To keep him from buying guns from dealers or to keep him from buying guns at all? We understand the limitations, that the reach of NICS is finite. I'm asking you: what is the intent?

[Allen]

You constantly hear about gun show loopholes from the gun illiterate news media and communist democrats. As WE all know, gun shows are a group of licensed dealers who abide by the same laws as if selling in their own shops.

The grey area is individuals who sell their guns to someone else. Sometimes this is done at gun shows but has nothing to do with the gun show itself. We see buyers walking around in these places with a rifle strapped to their back with a for sale sign and price. There is no paper work done on this and the individual has the right to sell his private property BUT anyone selling a gun should want the gun out of their name. This transfer can only be done at a gun shop where basically the seller "sells" the gun to the FFL dealer then the dealer makes the call to the sheriffs dept to check out the buyer.

In my area we use to have classified want ad brochures that cost like $1 and published every 2 weeks or so with names like Penny Pincher and such. They were a good source of cheap items for everything from a lawn mower to a piece of real estate but were discontinued about 5 years ago and I figure it was because of so may guns being sold second hand w/o paperwork that couldn't be regulated. These type buyers and sellers now resort to Craigs List which outlaws all guns and ammo but a few slip by.

Obtaining a gun will always be possible regardless of the laws and restrictions. A gun can always be made or stolen, even if it is out of a police vehicle. Let's not forget about black powder weapons too which most anyone can buy. An Italian made replica of a Colt 1860 is still a deadly weapon especially at close range. I know I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one. If it came right down to it a person could probably hold up a store with a BB gun if he told the cashier he would shoot them in the eye.

What surprises me is there is no more knife violence than there is. In a crowd a would be assailant could stab several people and possibly get away with it. Knives make no noise.

In short there are too many people. Too much diversity. Too many laws NOT being enforced. Too easy and short jail time, fines and other punishment.

If people knew they had to pay the fine for the crime most would not commit it.
By a similar note if people who purposely defaulted on a loan knew they could never get another loan again for anything (car, home, etc) they would find a way to pay.

People don't act as civilized as they use to because they don't have to. People aren't raised like before either due to welfare, lack of religion, broken homes, mixed marriages and etc.

[S.A. Boggs]

You constantly hear about gun show loopholes from the gun illiterate news media and communist democrats. As WE all know, gun shows are a group of licensed dealers who abide by the same laws as if selling in their own shops.

The grey area is individuals who sell their guns to someone else. Sometimes this is done at gun shows but has nothing to do with the gun show itself. We see buyers walking around in these places with a rifle strapped to their back with a for sale sign and price. There is no paper work done on this and the individual has the right to sell his private property BUT anyone selling a gun should want the gun out of their name. This transfer can only be done at a gun shop where basically the seller "sells" the gun to the FFL dealer then the dealer makes the call to the sheriffs dept to check out the buyer.

In my area we use to have classified want ad brochures that cost like $1 and published every 2 weeks or so with names like Penny Pincher and such. They were a good source of cheap items for everything from a lawn mower to a piece of real estate but were discontinued about 5 years ago and I figure it was because of so may guns being sold second hand w/o paperwork that couldn't be regulated. These type buyers and sellers now resort to Craigs List which outlaws all guns and ammo but a few slip by.

Obtaining a gun will always be possible regardless of the laws and restrictions. A gun can always be made or stolen, even if it is out of a police vehicle. Let's not forget about black powder weapons too which most anyone can buy. An Italian made replica of a Colt 1860 is still a deadly weapon especially at close range. I know I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one. If it came right down to it a person could probably hold up a store with a BB gun if he told the cashier he would shoot them in the eye.

What surprises me is there is no more knife violence than there is. In a crowd a would be assailant could stab several people and possibly get away with it. Knives make no noise.

In short there are too many people. Too much diversity. Too many laws NOT being enforced. Too easy and short jail time, fines and other punishment.

If people knew they had to pay the fine for the crime most would not commit it.
By a similar note if people who purposely defaulted on a loan knew they could never get another loan again for anything (car, home, etc) they would find a way to pay.

People don't act as civilized as they use to because they don't have to. People aren't raised like before either due to welfare, lack of religion, broken homes, mixed marriages and etc.

The criminals that I dealt with told me many times that NO LAW could stop them, only Citizens obeyed laws. Weapons are made every day in prison out of common items converted to illegal use. A pair of underwear, newspaper and bread can make a lethal weapon with a range of 20 yards. Ex-cons are great thinkers in the art of converting legal to illegal...fascinating, just fascinating! NS are such "innocents" yet diabolical in their train of thought. Pure, anadultered power is their main concern and ANY MEANS to this end. They tell you they are not yet openly state they are. NS and their Antifa crowd want an excuse and will make an excuse to exercise their means. History proves this time and time again, look @ the Reichstag Fire the other NS used so successively!
Sam