Dorian is all the proof you need...

[J.B. Books]

The previous guy left a lot to be desired that's for sure, didn't keep his word on much. The current guy has problems, some major but not too bad. Kept his word on getting the other guys in NATO pay what is their share, got jobs back on our range and more people are happy. I watch the news and the people wanting his job and have one question. Why do those people keep using loco weed?
JB

[lyman]

I don't know. When the Congressional baseball practice got shot up, I didn't see a lot of people cheering. It is fair to say that the anti-gunners want to use every shooting as an argument to get rid of guns, but that argument is itself intrinsically anti-shooting. And the whole idea of a do-or-die culture war runs much deeper on the right, where there is a much greater feeling that a cherished way of life, centered more or less on a celebration of firearms, marriage for straights only, evangelical Christianity, and now anti-immigration, is under siege from a secularized anti-gun, pro-gay and weak borders majority and their media allies. You've seen plenty of rhetoric here at the forum that captures this view, and it is from this view that one can easily imagine an apologia for the shooter. It happened before, with the NZ massacre. If someone took a potshot at Obama, it is easily imagined that a someone on the right would reject the act while nonetheless excusing the feelings that led to it.

someone surely would have, and it would be their right to speak, but they would be ostracized for it and GCA (Gun Control Armageddon) would be upon us,

the idea of a do or die culture war right side only?
you watch and believe too much media

[J.B. Books]

Gun control is a fools errand, like keeping drugs out of jail.
JB

[togor]

Well Lyman, I will agree with you that Trump being Trump has convinced many many people that the future of the country is at stake and that he has to go. Their policy interests are much more diverse than say guns, Jesus and drilling but on the point that Trump is a threat who must go they are unified. Many, many, people, and possibly you're seeing that now.

[lyman]

Well Lyman, I will agree with you that Trump being Trump has convinced many many people that the future of the country is at stake and that he has to go. Their policy interests are much more diverse than say guns, Jesus and drilling but on the point that Trump is a threat who must go they are unified. Many, many, people, and possibly you're seeing that now.

the future of the country was as stake during the last admin,, and the last admin caused many of the riffs and issues we are dealing with now,


we will survive,

[togor]

we will survive,

Hopefully yes

[Vern Humphrey]

the future of the country was as stake during the last admin,, and the last admin caused many of the riffs and issues we are dealing with now,


we will survive,

You guys are reading their posts. Have they EVER said, "I supported Barak Obama -- and voted for Hillary Clinton?" If they haven't doesn't that make them hypocrites?

[togor]

You guys are reading their posts. Have they EVER said, "I supported Barak Obama -- and voted for Hillary Clinton?" If they haven't doesn't that make them hypocrites?

Well I WON'T vote for Donald Trump under any circumstances, if that makes you feel any better. And what business is if of yours how I fill out my ballot? Isn't that a private matter for a free man? Boy I wish Adolphus was here to lecture you on how expecting people to declare their ballot was the sort of thing they did in Nazi Germany.

And who's Barak Obama anyways?

[Roadkingtrax]

You guys are reading their posts. Have they EVER said, "I supported Barak Obama -- and voted for Hillary Clinton?" If they haven't doesn't that make them hypocrites?

Binary thinking again?

[lyman]

You guys are reading their posts. Have they EVER said, "I supported Barak Obama -- and voted for Hillary Clinton?" If they haven't doesn't that make them hypocrites?

not that I recall, but I returned just about a year ago,

as long as you vote, then you can fuss about it , regardless of which way your chad fell,

if you don't vote,, then STFU,, you go no reason to complain


I would encourage those that say I 'will not' for for candidate x under any circumstance' to step back and look at which of the 2 evils is lesser

[togor]

I would encourage those that say I 'will not' for for candidate x under any circumstance' to step back and look at which of the 2 evils is lesser

That sir is perfectly reasonable advice.

But sometimes there is a conviction that the devil you know is just plain worse than the devil you don't. However the vote isn't held today, so it's possible something extraordinary could happen.

[Vern Humphrey]

not that I recall, but I returned just about a year ago,

as long as you vote, then you can fuss about it , regardless of which way your chad fell,

if you don't vote,, then STFU,, you go no reason to complain


I would encourage those that say I 'will not' for for candidate x under any circumstance' to step back and look at which of the 2 evils is lesser

Who will not vote for the lesser of two evils automatically votes for the greater of the two.

And voting for a candidate who obviously cannot win is also voting for the greater evil.

[lyman]

Who will not vote for the lesser of two evils automatically votes for the greater of the two.

And voting for a candidate who obviously cannot win is also voting for the greater evil.

yep,

[Allen]

And voting for a candidate who obviously cannot win is also voting for the greater evil.

However, this is what the news media wanted us to believe last election stating over and over that Trump didn't have a chance.

They are doing in now (including FOX) for the 2020 election stating that all the democrat Bozo's, no mater how retarded, are ahead in the polls.

[Vern Humphrey]

However, this is what the news media wanted us to believe last election stating over and over that Trump didn't have a chance.

They are doing in now (including FOX) for the 2020 election stating that all the democrat Bozo's, no mater how retarded, are ahead in the polls.

What they failed to realize is that the election is a CONTEST. There were two strong competitors -- and the strongest one won, despite what the media said.