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  • Allen
    Moderator
    • Sep 2009
    • 10627

    #16
    Originally posted by lyman
    the forum is what you make it,

    you as in everyone,

    differences can be had in a civil matter, and folks that get pushy can be dealt with in a reasonable manner,

    we all have a variety of likes, dislikes, and tastes,

    key is to have a civil discourse,

    some of both sides here get pushy, get nasty, and get disrepectful, some take it way to personally, and wrap themselves in self righteousness quickly,


    key is to hold each other accountable, since moderation is no existent,



    I remember a forum I was on when I first when online (late bloomer, no net until 2004) call fullauto.com, or something similar

    good group of people that liked MG's, that in a year or so turned into a small group of A$$holes that ran a bunch off, and started posting porn every other post,,

    I think that forum died off quickly afterwards,
    But, this is a politically conservative and gun owners site as intended by the Major. The liberals have their own sites and that is the place for liberals----not here. Interference, hacking, resistance and what other words you may chose that refer that some come to this site just to destroy it can and should be dealt with. It's not a matter of likes and dislikes. It's not a matter of opinions.

    We all share different views but when a small group of 3 or 1 with different user names tries to take over then yes, there will be comments made by the rest of us. If Gloria or the Major were still around this intruder to this forum would have been gone after just a post or two.

    You can be part of the program or part of the problem. To post their replies and carry on conversations with them is definitely part of the problem. Remember, it was the Culver's that created the ignore list feature yet some here beside the stooges don't like this because they want the stooges/squad propaganda to be heard. Some just don't seem to see through this.

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    • sid
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 3198

      #17
      Allen, that was excellent. For a long time I have been urging members on this forum to put the 3 stooges on the Ignore list. Yet they keep them alive by responding to the crap that they post.

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      • togor
        Banned
        • Nov 2009
        • 17610

        #18
        In rebuttal, the Major's motto for this section was "The gloves are off! If you can't take it, don't come in." I seem to be able to take it. I also put a lot more milsurp rounds downrange than Allen, while sober at that. Always sober. Firearms and alcohol don't mix. Anyways Allen seems to think that because he's still sore that his side lost the civil war, he deserves a special place where he can say Allen-y things to wild applause. Nothing conservative about such entitled thinking.
        Last edited by togor; 09-15-2019, 10:47.

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        • Gun Smoke
          Banned
          • Sep 2019
          • 1658

          #19
          Originally posted by togor
          In rebuttal, the Major's motto for this section was "The gloves are off! If you can't take it, don't come in." I seem to be able to take it. I also put a lot more milsurp rounds downrange than Allen, while sober at that. Always sober. Firearms and alcohol don't mix. Anyways Allen seems to think that because he's still sore that his side lost the civil war, he deserves a special place where he can say Allen-y things to wild applause. Nothing conservative about such entitled thinking.
          I've been sitting on the sidelines for a long time observing who is who here. Because of people like you the "motto" had to be changed to "Time to put the gloves back on and keep it civil. Argue points, not personalities." You never argue points just liberal thoughts.

          Genus that you are you always seem to know everything about everybody like what school they went to what their religious beliefs are, how much money they have and in this case how many rounds Allen shoots and I guess some reference to him having a drinking problem. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, but one thing for sure is you damn sure don't know. As it has been mentioned before here initially the civil war had nothing to do with slavery and I guess many in the North are still upset that they have no one to sell slaves to but it all happened long before us so get over it. Far more whites have been enslaved than blacks, which you obviously are, on welfare, not working except for what some lib organization pays you to snuff out conservative forums like this one. You are not changing anyone's mind with your constant bull s**t and if anything are galvanizing stronger beliefs of our own by watching such pathetic, desperate, imbecile actions as yourself.

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          • Roadkingtrax
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 7835

            #20
            Trolls from Olgino (or is that Ohio) out today...September is about right from 2015.
            "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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            • togor
              Banned
              • Nov 2009
              • 17610

              #21
              Post #3?

              Allen did once fondly recall shooting at the quarry with some buddies and beers. Buddies, great. Quarry? Watch the ricochets, but known problem. Beer? Inexcusable.

              On the Civil War, "get over it" cuts a southerner harder than a northerner. As a true Southerner, or one with any sense of history (see: monuments, Confederate leaders) you would know that. So you're not one. But a sympathizer of Dixie, and someone who needs to read the Mississippi articles of secession.

              Mississippi was the second state to secede from the United States on January 9, 1861 and one of the states to declare the formation of the Confederacy on February 8, 1861. The state's declaration of secession provides one of the clearest connections between secession and slavery.


              I'm what you could call an old time conservative, from before the time the southern Democrats switched sides and brought their peculiar brand of baggage to the GOP. That's why my trouble is primarily with them. They are embarrassed by the thought that they're the ugly stepchild of American politics and have been since the beginning. As a political force. As people, same as everyone else. Some good, some better, and well, some use tannerite to control hogs.

              Last edited by togor; 09-15-2019, 11:47.

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              • lyman
                Administrator - OFC
                • Aug 2009
                • 11296

                #22
                Originally posted by Allen
                But, this is a politically conservative and gun owners site as intended by the Major. The liberals have their own sites and that is the place for liberals----not here. Interference, hacking, resistance and what other words you may chose that refer that some come to this site just to destroy it can and should be dealt with. It's not a matter of likes and dislikes. It's not a matter of opinions.

                We all share different views but when a small group of 3 or 1 with different user names tries to take over then yes, there will be comments made by the rest of us. If Gloria or the Major were still around this intruder to this forum would have been gone after just a post or two.

                You can be part of the program or part of the problem. To post their replies and carry on conversations with them is definitely part of the problem. Remember, it was the Culver's that created the ignore list feature yet some here beside the stooges don't like this because they want the stooges/squad propaganda to be heard. Some just don't seem to see through this.

                last I checked and from what I remember, the Maj was (Corrected) Marine,, and fairly level headed??

                hence an Officer, defend the Constitution and all that right?

                so free speech and all the stuff that comes with it, right?

                and this section of the forum says this on the main page

                Second Amendment and Politics(20 Viewing)
                Time to put the gloves back on and keep it civil. Argue points, not personalities.


                since I returned, the argue has been about personality, not points, on both sides
                I had numerous posts when I started posting here a few months ago about the forum, and who I thought was the cause, you may, or may not have read them,


                I'll agree that if the Maj was around, several would have a perma ban,
                I would bet that 3 one each side would be gone,,
                surely you know who those 3 are,

                and if this site was moderated, it would be fairly easy for someone with moderate IT skills to trace the IP addresses of those logged in, and we could see if there is more than one Togor, or Boggs, or even Allen's

                you can ignore me, or anyone, I don't care, however my personal belief is that the ignore button just pigeon holes you to reading one line of thought, not opposing viewpoints,


                that btw, goes for all sides, (truth has 3 sides, what you think, what someone else thinks, and what really happened)

                the choice is to have the conversation, maybe learn something, maybe pass on some knowledge,

                or continue about the path you are on,, complaining about others, and never contributing anything in the other sections of the forum,




                the fact that you think my replies or conversations on this forum with anyone speaks volumes,,

                please take time at maybe read up some history on censorship, or the Constitution,

                wondering do you try to censor the conversations among your family or friends? at church?


                think about that,
                Last edited by lyman; 09-15-2019, 07:48.

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                • Roadkingtrax
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 7835

                  #23
                  Lyman, one correction. Major Culver was a Marine.

                  Without his support, the M1 Garand CMP match format would have been a longer time coming.

                  RIP
                  "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                  • Vern Humphrey
                    Administrator - OFC
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 15875

                    #24
                    Originally posted by lyman

                    please take time at maybe read up some history on censorship, or the Constitution,

                    wondering do you try to censor the conversations among your family or friends? at church?


                    think about that,
                    The Constitution covers GOVERNMENT censorship. Individual citizens are free to choose who they will listen to or not -- in fact, that freedom is the foundation of free speech.

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                    • togor
                      Banned
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 17610

                      #25
                      Lyman I appreciate your calm demeanor and wish for greater civility, but such are the times. You know the current leader's playbook, how he responds to contrary views. Given that it's too much to expect his followers to follow his wife's advice when they're online.

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                      • Allen
                        Moderator
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 10627

                        #26
                        Originally posted by lyman
                        last I checked and from what I remember, the Maj was Army,,, and fairly level headed??

                        hence an Officer, defend the Constitution and all that right?

                        so free speech and all the stuff that comes with it, right?
                        The Major, the creator of this forum, also provided the ignore list.

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                        • Allen
                          Moderator
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 10627

                          #27
                          Originally posted by lyman
                          please take time at maybe read up some history on censorship, or the Constitution,

                          wondering do you try to censor the conversations among your family or friends? at church?


                          think about that,
                          We have freedom of speech, not freedom of consequences of what we say. Don't believe that???? Say something at work that your boss doesn't want to hear and your butt will be hitting the pavement so quick you won't know what happened. Censor among friends and at church? No, maybe disagreements and other friendly conversation but here again my friends aren't my friends to break up my marriage or convert me to be someone else. Same with the church. I go to the ones that express similar views as mine. I'm not going to go to a mosque to try to convert them like the stooges think they can do here.

                          And sides, sides, sides. W/o the stooges there may not be others on the other side that would be an issue. Still, others that you may be counting may be other stooge user names. They all have similarities.

                          As far as conversing with them and displaying their comments, yes, I feel that makes you a liability to the forum, at least on political views. Again this is a conservative forum, not "The View", the huff post, CNN, newsweek or the late night talk show political wannabe hosts. While you do indeed have as much a right as anyone to reply and carry on with whoever you wish all I'm saying is "you keep stirring the pot and we'll have chicken soup every day".

                          If you have a rock in your shoe do you think it is the greatest thing ever or do you remove it?
                          Last edited by Allen; 09-15-2019, 02:28.

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                          • PWC
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 1386

                            #28
                            All - the Maj. Was a Marine, not Army, I think he's stopped spinnimg now. I don't know the Swede's status; I did ask last month, but the admin never answered, I know there was some difficulty netween them, but I hoped for an answer.

                            As far as the rule change, the last noticeable act of admin moderation was to change the rules to "put the gloves back on" but until the thread is actively moderated, the trolls/squad will continue to abuse the bandwidth.

                            Frankly, I believe Pat has just gotten tired of this, or she may have her own health problems to deal with. I hope she isn't ill.

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                            • Roadkingtrax
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 7835

                              #29
                              When you're uncomfortable, it might be because there is a crisis of conscience in the positions you hold.

                              Allen may be growing tired of holding opinions that he himself feels are no longer defendable.
                              "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                              • Allen
                                Moderator
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 10627

                                #30
                                Originally posted by PWC
                                All - the Maj. Was a Marine, not Army, I think he's stopped spinnimg now. I don't know the Swede's status; I did ask last month, but the admin never answered, I know there was some difficulty netween them, but I hoped for an answer.

                                As far as the rule change, the last noticeable act of admin moderation was to change the rules to "put the gloves back on" but until the thread is actively moderated, the trolls/squad will continue to abuse the bandwidth.

                                Frankly, I believe Pat has just gotten tired of this, or she may have her own health problems to deal with. I hope she isn't ill.
                                Agree. I think Pat picked up the forum because she was friends of the Culver's. Besides the initial cost I don't know if this website is costing her or not. If so it shouldn't and I feel she would speak up if that were the case. She has her horses and maybe other livestock/pets so maybe no time for this forum. What does puzzle me though is the absence of the other system administrators like Jeff L.

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