Pelosi and the American flag

[Major Tom]

Hardly. I think Trump is a crook but you don't see me putting people on ignore lists or creating multiple online aliases because I'm having trouble coping.

Like it or not, people make assumptions.

And the Clintons are not crooks?

[Vern Humphrey]

And the Clintons are not crooks?

Oh, no. The Clintons are angels. Junita Broderick was privileged to be raped by Bill Clinton. And the Clinton Foundation is a true charity.

[Mark in Ottawa]

It seems to me that accidently wearing a pin upside down does not make someone a traitor. A sloppy dresser, perhaps. A traitor, no.

[togor]

And the Clintons are not crooks?

The Clintons aren't President. My point to Lyman is that it is hardly TDS to see significant problems with how the current POTUS operates. I think he's a crook, and someone who watched too many Sopranos episodes and talks like them.

Can someone explain how this Ukraine business should ease my doubts about the man? Anyone?????

[Allen]

It seems to me that accidently wearing a pin upside down does not make someone a traitor. A sloppy dresser, perhaps. A traitor, no.

If it were a diamond broach I would agree with you but the American flag? No. You have to consider the individual and the party she represents. This woman was not elected by anyone and went into office as a traitor. She is who the democrats wanted.

Remember Trumps state of the union speech where this frog faced POS was against everything Trump had accomplished as in:

1. Increased employment
2. Lower unemployment
3. Reduced individuals on welfare, particularly blacks
4. Increased measures on illegal invasion
5. Increased military spending
6. Reduced taxes

Ruth Bladder Ginsburg wouldn't even attend.

I'm offended that she is allowed to wear the pin at all.

[lyman]

The Clintons aren't President. My point to Lyman is that it is hardly TDS to see significant problems with how the current POTUS operates. I think he's a crook, and someone who watched too many Sopranos episodes and talks like them.

Can someone explain how this Ukraine business should ease my doubts about the man? Anyone?????

um,

he did not do what the press said,

so maybe, just maybe, the press has blown stuff out of proportion more than this once?

[togor]

"he did not do what the press said" skirts the issue of what he did do, per the rough transcript released by the White House. Pointing to press coverage is deflection.

[Roadkingtrax]

"he did not do what the press said" skirts the issue of what he did do, per the rough transcript released by the White House. Pointing to press coverage is deflection.

This morning the White House confirmed the whistleblower allegations, all regarding the storage of the July 25th Ukraine phone call records improperly into the codeword classified system.

This assertion was denied by the White House, but a day later is conceded as accurate.

Probably one phone call anyway, right?

[togor]

This morning the White House confirmed the whistleblower allegations, all regarding the storage of the July 25th Ukraine phone call records improperly into the codeword classified system.

This assertion was denied by the White House, but a day later is conceded as accurate.

Probably one phone call anyway, right?

The timeline on this one is telling.

https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=688

Sept 9: IG sends letter to the House
Sept10: Schiff requests the full and unredacted whistleblower complaint
Sept 11: Pompeo tells the State Dept. to ignore the White House directive and send the previously held up $400M to Ukraine

Trump put a hold on the money shortly before the phone call. Anyone here ever in business? In the trades? Holding up the money is an old tactic to squeeze out a little extra. Trump is famous for it and brags about doing it. In this case in his capacity as President for private personal gain.