Hillary Email Question

[togor]

Straight up question, if anyone wants to have a go.

In an age now when diplomats are using text messages instead of government email servers, do we still care what Hillary did? Maybe she was just a little ahead of the curve?

So far no one in this Trump-Ukraine biz has said "wait a minute...those comms are outside government channels." How would anyone even go about classifying WhatsApp text messages?

[lyman]

Maybe she was just a little ahead of the curve?

at the time did she break the law?

ahead of the curve is not a valid excuse

[PWC]

You bet; 1st she brole the law, 2nd she allowed foreign govts access to govt strategy in dealing with others, besides the selling of the US.

[togor]

You bet; 1st she brole the law, 2nd she allowed foreign govts access to govt strategy in dealing with others, besides the selling of the US.

That needs to be fleshed out better to be remotely persuasive.

[Sandpebble]

The FBI claimed her to be recklessly careless on this matter ... and I agree .

I hate to be one of those " Whattabouts" but most of the attacks on her are by those who had a great deal of contact with Russia and her Allies . { neither being friends of the US }

Yet many with close dealings with Russia {an enemy} became members of our own government, some plead guilty and some were jailed .

So now we have a Prez who uses a private phone against the advice of our intelligence forces..... and sends his private " unpaid" lawyer to discuss things with foriegn governments .

"Whattabout Hillary" .... never mind that history.... we have a bigger problem right here and present .

How did an online jewelry salesman with a real estate sales husband, or an unpaid lawyer who won't say whether he has a security clearance or not..... become a working part of my Government .

sorry... for me the men and women who have spent a life in the FBI , CIA , NSA in defence of my country are still the good guys ....

.... but then thats what I thought of career military until Mr. Flynn came along

[togor]

at the time did she break the law?

ahead of the curve is not a valid excuse

As I recall Colin Powell also ran a private email server, yet no one clamors for his prosecution.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/08/colin-powell-hillary-clinton-email-state-department

The claim is that Hillary is hunted out of political animus. The evidence is that others who have committed similar acts are not hunted.

[JohnMOhio]

I do not recall nor have I heard or seen anything printed that said the Prez has used a private phone. What I have seen/heard that the Prez made a private phone call which was monitored by various branches of security and I believe others involved in setting policy concerning other heads of state.

[togor]

I do not recall nor have I heard or seen anything printed that said the Prez has used a private phone. What I have seen/heard that the Prez made a private phone call which was monitored by various branches of security and I believe others involved in setting policy concerning other heads of state.

When writing the OP I was thinking about the bevy of texts that Kurt Volker brought to Congress, not the Trump Ukraine call itself. Those texts were diplomatic business conducted electronically outside government servers. Sound familiar??

But now that you mention it, Trump does keep a private cell phone and is known to use it.

[lyman]

When writing the OP I was thinking about the bevy of texts that Kurt Volker brought to Congress, not the Trump Ukraine call itself. Those texts were diplomatic business conducted electronically outside government servers. Sound familiar??

But now that you mention it, Trump does keep a private cell phone and is known to use it.

how is that different than Obama's blackberry he had when first elected? (and afterwads??)


surely no president since Cell's came out had totally dropped personal use of one?

[togor]

how is that different than Obama's blackberry he had when first elected? (and afterwads??)


surely no president since Cell's came out had totally dropped personal use of one?

Lyman, here is how it is different. And as long as we're broadening the thread, tell me Rudy Giuliani isn't a walking talking security risk.

Where we're at right now is that Pompeo is no better than Clinton with his security practices, and Obama is way better than Trump.

[PWC]

Togor - Crime and Punishment....don't need to flesh out anything here...just need the authorities to enforce the laws on the books for her and all of the priviledge class. And do the same for the current gun laws, not create more. Discussion on this forum will not mitigate thier already much debated criminal actions, by existing laws. Now it's time for the punishment phase.

[togor]

Togor - Crime and Punishment....don't need to flesh out anything here...just need the authorities to enforce the laws on the books for her and all of the priviledge class. And do the same for the current gun laws, not create more. Discussion on this forum will not mitigate thier already much debated criminal actions, by existing laws. Now it's time for the punishment phase.

I find that unpersuasive because it's not how the legal system works. There has to be a statute and an offense against it. One can say "I'm not a lawyer" as a way of not citing it, but if one does so, then one has to accept the fact that no lawyers in the DOJ have found reason to charge her. Now to that one can say "well that class has each other's back at the expense of the rest of us.". But again the proof is a clearly cited statute and offense against it that is being overlooked.

[PWC]

Nothing discussed or debated in this or any other forum/website will make any difference to the outcome. It will depend, sadly, on the political will of those we elected who are only looking to their PAC for 2020.

[togor]

Nothing discussed or debated in this or any other forum/website will make any difference to the outcome. It will depend, sadly, on the political will of those we elected who are only looking to their PAC for 2020.

I agree that our conversations here are unlikely to reach the minds of elected officials, but I don't know if that is their only purpose. Regular people can kick stuff around too.

[Vern Humphrey]

Nothing discussed or debated in this or any other forum/website will make any difference to the outcome. It will depend, sadly, on the political will of those we elected who are only looking to their PAC for 2020.

But by debating vigorously we can stiffen t he politicians' will.