Trump's rally in Minnesota ...

[lyman]

"Deep state"--

A loaded phrase for the Trump era, which basically means anyone in govenrment who resists the word of Donald. The very formulation of the phrase, and its origins, guarantees that it will not pass muster with me.

So Lyman, you will tell me that you don't want Trump to be a dictator. In the next breath can you tell me what institutional oversight you consider appropriate for keeping that from happening? Certainly the man shows the appetite for the job. What's to keep him getting it? This is an important question. And whatever constraints you would willingly place upon Trump, it's a sure-money bet that he will rail against them. So the fact that Trump is b*tching about limits to his power moves me not one inch. And the fact that he's getting it from all sides is to me a really good sign.

deep state, as in those that oppose any change to the way the gov't has been run,

you know, the power brokers, career politicians , big business that wants things to keep on keeping on like it always has,


Trump is being Trump, he wants to run the US like he did when he was CEO,,


that's a different mindset than a career politician,

when everyone has an issue with what he is doing, flags should go up and you should ask why?


after all, he was elected fair and square , and it was not apparently her turn,

I'm not a huge (yuge) fan of the man, but he is doing much better than I believe his opponent would have,,

[M1Tommy]

......snippage.....

Trump is being Trump, he wants to run the US like he did when he was CEO,,
that's a different mindset than a career politician,
when everyone has an issue with what he is doing, flags should go up and you should ask why?

after all, he was elected fair and square , and it was not apparently her turn,
I'm not a huge (yuge) fan of the man, but he is doing much better than I believe his opponent would have,,

Sir, That Trump is not owned by any one particular political machine is just what infuriates the entrenched on "both sides". They will tear him down if possible, no matter what the cost may be for the country.

And yes, he is far, far better than the shrill Hillary, or any leftist could be!
Tommy

[dogtag]

Togor did not watch the rally but like all died-in-the-wool democrats
he knows exactly what happened there.
I only wish I had his gift.

[togor]

Togor did not watch the rally but like all died-in-the-wool democrats
he knows exactly what happened there.
I only wish I had his gift.

Seen one rally seen 'em all or was this one in any way exceptional?

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Lyman,

The government isn't a business. And it's certainly not a family-owned business like the kind Trump is used to running. It belongs to us, not Trump. The people set the rules and he is supposed to respect them. This should not be hard to understand. I ask you: does Trump show any respect for rules not of his own making?

[M1Tommy]

Government is *certainly* not a family run business, the likes of which the Kenendys or Clintons wish it were.

[Allen]

Togor did not watch the rally but like all died-in-the-wool democrats
he knows exactly what happened there.
I only wish I had his gift.

He also knows everything about us too. Even things we never did or said. Amazing powers !!!

[lyman]

Seen one rally seen 'em all or was this one in any way exceptional?

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Lyman,

The government isn't a business. And it's certainly not a family-owned business like the kind Trump is used to running. It belongs to us, not Trump. The people set the rules and he is supposed to respect them. This should not be hard to understand. I ask you: does Trump show any respect for rules not of his own making?

you think Trump is breaking more or less rules than any other?

doubt it,

Government is *certainly* not a family run business, the likes of which the Kenendys or Clintons wish it were.

very true

[togor]

I do think Trump is a crook, yes. One grifter can spot another a mile away at midnight, and this administration is loaded with them. Why do you think Trump makes such a big noise about loyalty? He told everyone with his 5th Avenue remark that he was gonna be into some sh*t, and they just better get used to the idea. And here we are. Who knows, maybe in 2 years this forum will still be up and people will be up in arms again about tyranny coming out of the executive branch.

Oh and it appears a new defense of Trump is emerging? He may be kind of a crook, but probably not more crooked than the others.. I guess we can that a sign of progress if so. But of course the way to find out is to open the books on Trump and his administration to the American people. The people have a right to know what shenanigans the government is up to in their name. Trump is the government. Many may want to look away, but many more don't.

[M1Tommy]

Sir, The "new defense" is nothing new, just another verse of the same old song.
Absolutely NO one at that level is clean, never was, never will be. We can but choose our crooks. Fortunately, due to the wisdom of our Founding Father, and to the chagrin of the leftists, Trump is the current President.
Sincerely, Tommy

[lyman]

togor, believes Trump is the Devil Incarnate, and needs to be silenced at any cost,

it is his #1 all consuming issue,

[togor]

togor, believes Trump is the Devil Incarnate, and needs to be silenced at any cost,

it is his #1 all consuming issue,

Not quite correct. And hey, if not mistaken, putting words in other people's mouths is one of those things you forbade us to do.

To be clear:

I believe Trump lacks the moral core needed for the job. His appeals to animal instincts in his supporters should be proof enough of that. The ancients implored us to rise above our animal nature and yet there go the rallys.

He has a track record as a dishonest businessman and he has brought that to the White House.

Evangelicals who [claim to] abhor him personally but have nonetheless signed up for the cruise in exchange for policy wins may eventually realize they traded away their soul. If not their eternal soul risking damnation, then something close to it in temporal terms.

[lyman]

Not quite correct. And hey, if not mistaken, putting words in other people's mouths is one of those things you forbade us to do.

To be clear:

I believe Trump lacks the moral core needed for the job. His appeals to animal instincts in his supporters should be proof enough of that. The ancients implored us to rise above our animal nature and yet there go the rallys.

He has a track record as a dishonest businessman and he has brought that to the White House.

Evangelicals who [claim to] abhor him personally but have nonetheless signed up for the cruise in exchange for policy wins may eventually realize they traded away their soul. If not their eternal soul risking damnation, then something close to it in temporal terms.

to be clear,

I have not forbade a thing, it is in the rules, of which I do not believe I have violated,

saying you believe Trump to be evil, is simply paraphrasing your posts,

no harm in that, is it?

[togor]

to be clear,

I have not forbade a thing, it is in the rules, of which I do not believe I have violated,

saying you believe Trump to be evil, is simply paraphrasing your posts,

no harm in that, is it?

I did not feel harmed. But if you find yourself paraphrased at some point, hopefully you can roll with it.

Notice too there was nothing liberal in my critique of Trump.

[togor]

Meanwhile....the taxpayers of Minneapolis are holding their breath waiting to see if the campaign will cover the city's security costs for the rally. The nerve!!!!

[bruce]

Re: Costs of rally. The good citizens will cover the costs in the exact same way they have for any other political campaign. It is no big deal. Trumps supporters are not going to go around trashing the city, etc. They will however end up spending money for all sorts of things like meals, lodging, travel, sight seeing, etc. That will very likely completely off set any actual costs incurred by the city. Now, if someone wants to offer hyper-inflated estimates of costs, they are free to do so. But there is no reason for the actual costs to be any different than when other candidates visited the city. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.