The Voting Equivalent To Red flag Laws

[lyman]

Okay, again, treat firearms and voting rights on equal footing as defenders of liberty. I've been consistent on this, and no one so far has explained why this is a bad idea. But clearly people don't like the idea. Why?

The edits to Allen's text were to show how awful the policy would be if applied to gun rights. But applied to voting rights it's okay?

So a question--why should firearms rights be liberal, and voting rights be restrictive, if both are considered important to defend liberty, with voting rights in fact the more important of the two?

I'm attacked for holding this position, but so far no one has explained what is wrong with it.

because you are not actually reading the responses,


the right to buy a gun is available to every qualified citizen in the US,

exceptions abound on what you are allowed by state laws to buy (and to a lesser extent Fed laws and regs)

any purchase thru a dealer goes thru a background check, individuals in most states can sell their firearms if they want just like any other personal property w/o going thru a dealer


this is more restrictive than voting,,,,


every qualified citizen is allowed to vote,

qualified by the State/Federal regs/laws (age restrictions, must be a citizen)

some states require a proof of ID, (DL for example) to cast a ballot,



in my state, VA, you can buy just about any firearm you want (with very few exceptions,, like street sweeper shotguns) MG's are regulated by the State (simple form letting them know you have one)

also in this state, all you need is a DL or similar ID card to vote, and be registered to vote (takes all of 5 minutes,, folks actively push this before each election on both sides)




your comments on defending liberty are anything but, you want more restrictions on gun rights (have commented on that in the past) and every warm body to vote,





again, do you want Background Checks done on each voter before each trip to the ballot box??

[togor]

Fair point, Lyman, on paper, but....

The OP starts with 40,000 people being dropped from the voter rolls without being notified, and until the reform that you pointed out, they had no way of knowing until election day. I cannot think of any similar situation being tolerated with respect to gun rights.

And that has to be part of the conversation, what happens in the margins. For example in parts of the south, some regions have a high density of polling stations, and others have low density, such that people have to haul in from a long way and wait in long lines to cast a vote. There is always a given reason (e.g., "budget constraints") but in the end it amounts to a thumb on the scale. So too with redistricting, and curtailing early voting. Politicians are seeking to game the voting system. If you want to say "both sides", then sure OK. Let's de-incentivize the gaming of elections by politicians. If this is what Allan wants too then great.

[Gun Smoke]

The OP starts with 40,000 people being dropped from the voter rolls without being notified, and until the reform that you pointed out, they had no way of knowing until election day. I cannot think of any similar situation being tolerated with respect to gun rights.

Because of the democrats this is necessary. Just like grave yard votes democrats see inactive people on the list and vote on their behalf. ALL states should have uniformity in voting both in rules and machinery/technology. Inactive voters should know the time frames involved before being deleted. ID should be a requirement for voting just like it is for gun purchases.

As far as this circumstance being related to guns you are talking apples and oranges. The government doesn't care if you go a long time between gun purchases and doesn't care if you make multiple purchases when you do.

Voting is just the opposite. Voting in someone else's name or multiple times should land a person in the same state penitentiary as someone owning an illegal firearm. I do believe the fine is 10 years PLUS $100,000.00.

In this respect I agree with you on similar rules and laws for voting as guns.

[lyman]

togor,


there is always a but....

if you look for reasons to deny, or assume someone is denied,


sometimes the glass is half full,,, just saying

the percentages are small, and in the case of Ohio, at least someone is looking into it,