Ex whistleblower Kevin Ship warns of what's coming ...

[togor]

no, there was an opinion stated,

nannyware did not**** any words,

no twist and turn etc etc

no cussing spelled out in any other way,


milestone that was,, even if it was completely off topic

Hmmm...stooge, traitor, (bevy of lies), should be killed.

Sounds like personal attacks to me. Did we read the same post? Does prefacing remarks with "this is my opinion" give carte blanche to whatever follows?

Anyways, it would be my opinion that Red is full of beans, as usual, and that his obsession with dictatorship is a false choice between his (Putin via Trump) or the other party, which only goes to show that his knowledge of American history is as bad as his political judgement. Though not a medical opinion it would be my genuine concern that his time in the lead recycling business caused permanent neurological damage due to excessive exposure to that toxic metal.

[lyman]

Trying to be polite or non-caustic. Would you rather I just mention those involved?

The resistance force here on this forum is real. If you don't see it you're the only one.

Judging by what others have said themselves the liberal resistance is the reason they left in the first place. Old members just aren't magically going to come back to what they left before.

I too was a member of the old forum then re-registered to Jouster2 in 2009 and have over 5300 post since then. Guess that's not enough to be a regular huh?

if you are going to comment on a post, please quote the post in its entirety, not partial,

helps keep things in perspective and context, (esp when you comment on part you did not quote,)

that helps everyone,

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Hmmm...stooge, traitor, (bevy of lies), should be killed.

Sounds like personal attacks to me. Did we read the same post? Does prefacing remarks with "this is my opinion" give carte blanche to whatever follows?

Anyways, it would be my opinion that Red is full of beans, as usual, and that his obsession with dictatorship is a false choice between his (Putin via Trump) or the other party, which only goes to show that his knowledge of American history is as bad as his political judgement. Though not a medical opinion it would be my genuine concern that his time in the lead recycling business caused permanent neurological damage due to excessive exposure to that toxic metal.

lordy yall are a judgmental lot,



remember back a few weeks or months ago when several were concerned that a few members here may be the same person??


what if it turned out you and RED are the same person?

[Allen]

if you are going to comment on a post, please quote the post in its entirety, not partial,

helps keep things in perspective and context, (esp when you comment on part you did not quote,)

that helps everyone,

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lordy yall are a judgmental lot,



remember back a few weeks or months ago when several were concerned that a few members here may be the same person??


what if it turned out you and RED are the same person?

Trying not to post an entire page of irrelevant comment when making a reply--just trying to halfway keep other readers from skipping over it. At least I don't CHANGE what others post.

I believe if checked you will find the "trolls" occupy far more than the 3 well known names used here. He seems to keep other accounts/names on the cuff in case he is suspended. Remember a troll has a job to do.

As these names show up that appear to be of the same source I put them on my list. Not so much to just ignore them but to keep a tab on them. If/when an IP address is done PM me and I will forward you these names of interest.

[togor]

Just figuring out where the ground rules are. The duplicate personality stuff is nonsense. Sure one guy did it recently, but it took all of 5 hours for his cover to get blown. People repeat it I think because it bothers them that others who share many of their interests yet are immune to Putin-Trump's charms. All I can say is...there are a lot more of us than some would like.

[lyman]

Trying not to post an entire page of irrelevant comment when making a reply--just trying to halfway keep other readers from skipping over it. At least I don't CHANGE what others post.

I believe if checked you will find the "trolls" occupy far more than the 3 well known names used here. He seems to keep other accounts/names on the cuff in case he is suspended. Remember a troll has a job to do.

As these names show up that appear to be of the same source I put them on my list. Not so much to just ignore them but to keep a tab on them. If/when an IP address is done PM me and I will forward you these names of interest.

you referring to this bit?

when you call a thing a thing,, then you make that thing that which you call it,,

which actually means you fear it, and if you fear something, sometimes you forget how it was to not fear it,

and it builds from there,

I could go on,,, but it is late , and I would need another guinness

what you and other have done is pretty much admitted you cannot cope, or make a rational conversation about issues that were presented, and make those conversations civil, thought provoking, and truly show your point of view,

so you put it on ignore and call that poster names,

then once put on ignore, some still comment on the posts,, in the past those coments indicate that you and others were reading the ignored posts,, or just randomly commenting on what was thought to have been posted,,

then you mention that you fear the forum will be shut down because THEY are allowed to post,

if you want to censor your view of the forum by putting everyone you don't like or agree with on ignore, so be it, your right,

but when you (and others) suggest I or others do the same,, that is more left wing censorship than anyone on the supposed left side has ever suggested,

or I could use the analogy of burning books?? or maybe kicking others out of the sand box or treehouse??


get it? or did you just get an attitude?



my point is to counter those you don't agree with using facts, not hyperbole or name calling (this goes for both sides) or honestly just skip it and not post,


frankly, (and I have said this in the past, ,shamefully the software won't let me go back far enough to retrieve it) both sides are guilty,

whether you are a member of 'the stooges' or if you are a member of 'Vern's Jugband' the behavior exhibited by each of you has been deplorable in the past,


maybe I should just infract each post each of you make until the system kicks yall out??

that would be at least 6 gone and maybe the rest of us could enjoy the forum?

[Allen]

Whatever

Remember the forum is losing members not gaining

You often have the same point of view as the ones trying to destroy the forum. Vern's "jugband" supports this forum. The "stooges" are here to destroy it and are. You should support the forum.

As a moderator you should respect ALL the rules and features here including the ignore list. Go bark at the Major--he's the one who saw a need in it and provided it. W/o it the forum would probably already be you and them rather than you, them and us.

[lyman]

Whatever

Remember the forum is losing members not gaining

You often have the same point of view as the ones trying to destroy the forum. Vern's "jugband" supports this forum. The "stooges" are here to destroy it and are. You should support the forum.

As a moderator you should respect ALL the rules and features here including the ignore list. Go bark at the Major--he's the one who saw a need in it and provided it. W/o it the forum would probably already be you and them rather than you, them and us.

as a moderator I do my best to walk the line,

will I succeed, hope so, will I fail, likely in some aspects,

you seem to hold on to the believe that the Maj created the ignore feature, but seem to forget or not know that it is a feature that is available on most if not all of the forums, as in it was programmed that way,

like I said, if you want to use it, go ahead,

burying you head in the sand is not doing anything to help this place

[Allen]

as a moderator I do my best to walk the line,

will I succeed, hope so, will I fail, likely in some aspects,

you seem to hold on to the believe that the Maj created the ignore feature, but seem to forget or not know that it is a feature that is available on most if not all of the forums, as in it was programmed that way,

like I said, if you want to use it, go ahead,

burying you head in the sand is not doing anything to help this place

Sometimes you are a one string banjo. I NEVER said the Major created the ignore list. I have on more than one occasion reminded you that the Major "provided" that this forum included it.

"Burying my head in the sand" sounds exactly like something a troll would say in defense of being ignored. If you have a rock in your shoe you remove it. SAME PRINCIPLE.

[lyman]

Sometimes you are a one string banjo. I NEVER said the Major created the ignore list. I have on more than one occasion reminded you that the Major "provided" that this forum included it.

"Burying my head in the sand" sounds exactly like something a troll would say in defense of being ignored. If you have a rock in your shoe you remove it. SAME PRINCIPLE.

then ignore me, ,(that is the sand,, btw,, ,)

won't solve anything, or improve anything,

now back to your rescheduled programming,

[togor]

This isn't going to help Allen's mood at all (if someone quotes it so he can read it), but I have been told through private channels that one of the reasons people dropped away (besides natural attrition) is they see the way I get hammered if I say anything that isn't on the approved list of topics and positions, and decide for themselves that it isn't worth the trouble. Clearly some guys just don't want to hear it, but beyond that, some guys, including Allen, just don't want it said, period. And to repeat: it wasn't because of anything I ever posted that the official ban on racist posts had to kick in after the 2016 election.

[Gun Smoke]

This isn't going to help Allen's mood at all (if someone quotes it so he can read it), but I have been told through private channels that one of the reasons people dropped away (besides natural attrition) is they see the way I get hammered if I say anything that isn't on the approved list of topics and positions, and decide for themselves that it isn't worth the trouble. Clearly some guys just don't want to hear it, but beyond that, some guys, including Allen, just don't want it said, period. And to repeat: it wasn't because of anything I ever posted that the official ban on racist posts had to kick in after the 2016 election.

Wrong.

From the outside looking in all these years I've seen your attacks on members here especially in regards to where they live. If you don't have that info in hand you insult over other things. The ones who don't get flamed are the ones who don't respond to you in the first place.

Members that come back for a visit and site why they have been absent is because of all the bickering over politics. Without you there would be little or no bickering as most of us seem to be on the same page.

I never read where anyone at all was ever concerned about you getting hammered.

[togor]

Wrong.

From the outside looking in all these years I've seen your attacks on members here especially in regards to where they live. If you don't have that info in hand you insult over other things. The ones who don't get flamed are the ones who don't respond to you in the first place.

Members that come back for a visit and site why they have been absent is because of all the bickering over politics. Without you there would be little or no bickering as most of us seem to be on the same page.

I never read where anyone at all was ever concerned about you getting hammered.

You're making my point for me.

A lot of people want this to be a safe space where they can b*tch about certain things with like-minded folk and experience little to no blowback.

And if there is blowback the reaction is strong. What I'm telling you is that multiple guys have told me that they think I'm nuts, putting up with it, and that the problem isn't me, but rather the people who jump down throats. Like Red. How many guys left because of Red and his BS? It's one thing to disagree. It's something else to be intolerant of disagreement. That's where you and Allen are in this. Intolerant.

Have I mixed it up in the past? Sure. Can I function in a moderated, rules-based environment where there are limits on how one expresses their point of view? Absolutely, yes.

How did Mick Mulvaney put it? "Get over it!" Seems like good advice. When Trump stops working for the interests of the dictators, I'll stop criticizing him for it.

[lyman]

I have posted this before and as mentioned previously the forum software has purged the post (or I cannot access it, seems 500 posts is as far back as I can go)

between RED's blowups, and Togor hammering away at something,, the constant bickering between the 2 took a lot of folks out,

personally, I would like to see both continue to post, and learn some restraint,

I think it may happen,


maybe,

[BudT]

lyman, not that anyone misses me or for that matter gives a schit whether or not I ever return but people have left and I'm pretty sure they aren't coming back. Some wont return because of the environment that's created by a group here honestly I don't have to name names I'm sure you already know them. I also don't think they can resist the opportunity to jump up and say something about this post, not that I care one way or the other. Anyway it's a toxic environment and no one want it so the choice is to tolerate being called XXXXXXXXX take your pick or leave. I do drift through here but ONLY to see or look in on the few here that were friendly and I could have a good conversation with, I did post about a elk because I hunt, I wont go into any more than that. I have posted to this tonight, and so it ends.
Regards to you and others that were civil to me.
BudT

[lyman]

lyman, not that anyone misses me or for that matter gives a schit whether or not I ever return but people have left and I'm pretty sure they aren't coming back. Some wont return because of the environment that's created by a group here honestly I don't have to name names I'm sure you already know them. I also don't think they can resist the opportunity to jump up and say something about this post, not that I care one way or the other. Anyway it's a toxic environment and no one want it so the choice is to tolerate being called XXXXXXXXX take your pick or leave. I do drift through here but ONLY to see or look in on the few here that were friendly and I could have a good conversation with, I did post about a elk because I hunt, I wont go into any more than that. I have posted to this tonight, and so it ends.
Regards to you and others that were civil to me.
BudT

BudT,

thank you for your post, please stick around,