Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman .... an American

[togor]

So let me get this straight.... motives of people who have lifetime records as straight arrows are impugned where they come into conflict with a guy with a lifetime record as a shady businessman. Next we'll here how the current POTUS has the highest character of any human who has walked the earth... including Lincoln, Washington, and Jesus. Yeah sure, okay.

[lyman]

So let me get this straight.... motives of people who have lifetime records as straight arrows are impugned where they come into conflict with a guy with a lifetime record as a shady businessman. Next we'll here how the current POTUS has the highest character of any human who has walked the earth... including Lincoln, Washington, and Jesus. Yeah sure, okay.

maybe, or not,

folks in political positions in that town are all suspect, R or D,

he may be an innocent lamb, or the wolf, or a pawn of one or the other,


it's a political town,with more backdoor dealings than you or I will ever know,


ya gotta admit tho,, after 3 yrs of the hunt, and the $$$ spent on nothing,, this is getting a bit old,,,

[Vern Humphrey]

maybe, or not,

folks in political positions in that town are all suspect, R or D,

he may be an innocent lamb, or the wolf, or a pawn of one or the other,


it's a political town,with more backdoor dealings than you or I will ever know,


ya gotta admit tho,, after 3 yrs of the hunt, and the $$$ spent on nothing,, this is getting a bit old,,,

There appear to be an unlimited supply of people willing to make false claims for political reasons.

[togor]

Arguing "$$$ spent on nothing" is just another way of saying let Trump do whatever he wants, which seems like a lousy idea. So far I notice no one defends Trump directly as saying what he did is OK. Having the president declare he has the "absolute right" to do anything should set off alarms in people, but it seems there are some dead batteries out there.

[lyman]

Arguing "$$$ spent on nothing" is just another way of saying let Trump do whatever he wants, which seems like a lousy idea. So far I notice no one defends Trump directly as saying what he did is OK. Having the president declare he has the "absolute right" to do anything should set off alarms in people, but it seems there are some dead batteries out there.

this is not much different than the Clinton impeachment investigations ,

we (taxpayers) paid $$$$$$$$$ to get what?? a soiled blue dress, a definition of what is is, and even tho he was impeached on paper,,, what happened?? nothing,


so now we have a President that has had the establishment go after him since the day after the election (it was her turn after all) and each "We Got Him Now" moment has panned out to be what??
a big fat nothing,


maybe if we took some of that money, and actually spent it on initiatives that helped this country, vs all if it making more lawyers rich,, we would be just a bit better off,

[Roadkingtrax]

Benghazi investigation didnt help the country.

Violations of the constitution appear to be a root cause problem, not the lawyers.

[togor]

Lyman you literally can see no difference between the Clinton and Trump impeachments in the respective facts of the two cases? Rhetorical question, no need to reply.

[lyman]

you think the Clinton Admin was clean???


you claim Trump to be a criminal,, and give them a pass?

[Vern Humphrey]

you think the Clinton Admin was clean???


you claim Trump to be a criminal,, and give them a pass?

I am reminded of Hillary Clinton's claim, "The American people have elected a rapist!"

Yeah, they did. His name is Bill Clinton and Juanita Broderick is one of his victims.

[Gun Smoke]

Arguing "$$$ spent on nothing" is just another way of saying let Trump do whatever he wants, which seems like a lousy idea. So far I notice no one defends Trump directly as saying what he did is OK. Having the president declare he has the "absolute right" to do anything should set off alarms in people, but it seems there are some dead batteries out there.

It WAS money spent on nothing.

From what I read of every thing: "WHAT HE DID WAS OK".

He had a conversation with the president of the Ukraine. During this conversation he asked if Joe Biden had done any wrongdoing that he was aware of. This is in accordance with a law signed by Bill Clinton that the Ukraine and the U.S. would disclose any crimes committed by each other in their countries. According to what the democrats are saying then Clinton needs to be jailed.

Even if this hadn't been legal it is nothing to get excited over and certainly not an issue to be impeached over.

The democrats have done absolutely nothing for America and their voters the past 3 years. During debates all they say is what they want to do, not why haven't they done anything in the past.

[togor]

you think the Clinton Admin was clean???


you claim Trump to be a criminal,, and give them a pass?

You're deflecting.

[lyman]

You're deflecting.

No, I'm not,
Actually, you are

[togor]

Neener neener? LOL.

Feel free to do a deep dive at any time into the substance of the building case against Trump. I'm guessing no interest there.

If the claim is "this is just like the Clinton impeachment" then that could be easily taken to mean a spectacular case of bad judgement by the GOP. If that's what you mean, then I agree. But to the specifics of each, no very different.

[lyman]

Neener neener? LOL.

Feel free to do a deep dive at any time into the substance of the building case against Trump. I'm guessing no interest there.

If the claim is "this is just like the Clinton impeachment" then that could be easily taken to mean a spectacular case of bad judgement by the GOP. If that's what you mean, then I agree. But to the specifics of each, no very different.

turn your TDS off for a second,


take a step back, and look,

GOP went after a DEM,,, got him impeached, spent multiples of millions to do so, and got what?

absolutely nothing,


fast foward,

Dem going after a GOP ,,,,,

3 yrs and still nothing, but posturing, MSM hoopla, and Orange Man Bad,,,


what do you think will happen, a Nixon moment (I am not a crook, but I resign??)

doubtful,,,

and likely reelected

[togor]

Accusing someone of TDS is a sure-fire signal that useful discussion is at an end. Might want to make a note of that.

I'm aware of the last 3 years of drama and my preference is to decide it at the next election. That said I understand why the House wants to cover the backs of their Presidential candidates. If Trump can use the power of the government to smear Biden and suffer no consequences it's a safe bet that he'll do it again, and again. If the shoe was on the other foot this forum would be crapping it's drawers for impeachment.

You don't want to detail-strip the case against Trump, then don't. But you'll get nowhere telling me that detail-stripping is a bad idea because 20 years ago a similar gun came to market and it turned out to be fake.