It’s a microcosm of today’s America

[RED]

The Dems conspire to overthrow a national election. Lies after lie, not one bit of proof to any of them. Mueller was supposed to deliver proof Trump colluded with the Russians. Liar togor, the MSN and the entire National Socialist Democratic Party said that was 100% true and togor personally had inside info that it was true.

It was all out lie and Mueller proved that.

So Trump should have “eased up,” on calling out liars?

Excuse me for calling a lie a lie.

[togor]

The Dems conspire to overthrow a national election. Lies after lie, not one bit of proof to any of them. Mueller was supposed to deliver proof Trump colluded with the Russians. Liar togor, the MSN and the entire National Socialist Democratic Party said that was 100% true and togor personally had inside info that it was true.

It was all out lie and Mueller proved that.

So Trump should have “eased up,” on calling out liars?

Excuse me for calling a lie a lie.

Honestly I don't think there is any excuse for you. Anyways,

It is a Big Lie is that impeachment is about 2016. The truth is that it's about 2020. How so? If Trump can use the power of the government to hamstring his opponents, then he's no better than a two-bit dictator who wins the first election and then harnesses the power of the state to hamstring his opponents to hang onto power thereaftere. How you can be so blind as to not see this is beyond comprehension! (Note to Lyman, I am not literally calling him a blind man, but rather making a metaphorical reference to his stubborn refusal to see this issue from another angle. Have metaphors been banned too?)

Like it or not, impeachment is 100% part of the Constitution. If Trump thumbs his nose at the process, he's thumbing his nose at the basic law he supposedly swore an oath to defend. Gotta check the inaugural vid....maybe fingers crossed on the left hand? Didn't really mean what he was saying? Wouldn't be the first or last time.

[lyman]

Honestly I don't think there is any excuse for you. Anyways,

It is a Big Lie is that impeachment is about 2016. The truth is that it's about 2020. How so? If Trump can use the power of the government to hamstring his opponents, then he's no better than a two-bit dictator who wins the first election and then harnesses the power of the state to hamstring his opponents to hang onto power thereaftere. How you can be so blind as to not see this is beyond comprehension! (Note to Lyman, I am not literally calling him a blind man, but rather making a metaphorical reference to his stubborn refusal to see this issue from another angle. Have metaphors been banned too?)

Like it or not, impeachment is 100% part of the Constitution. If Trump thumbs his nose at the process, he's thumbing his nose at the basic law he supposedly swore an oath to defend. Gotta check the inaugural vid....maybe fingers crossed on the left hand? Didn't really mean what he was saying? Wouldn't be the first or last time.

the liar part is giving me heartburn, not the blind part

[RED]

Honestly I don't think there is any excuse for you. Anyways,

It is a Big Lie is that impeachment is about 2016. The truth is that it's about 2020. How so? If Trump can use the power of the government to hamstring his opponents, then he's no better than a two-bit dictator who wins the first election and then harnesses the power of the state to hamstring his opponents to hang onto power thereaftere. How you can be so blind as to not see this is beyond comprehension! (Note to Lyman, I am not literally calling him a blind man, but rather making a metaphorical reference to his stubborn refusal to see this issue from another angle. Have metaphors been banned too?)

Like it or not, impeachment is 100% part of the Constitution. If Trump thumbs his nose at the process, he's thumbing his nose at the basic law he supposedly swore an oath to defend. Gotta check the inaugural vid....maybe fingers crossed on the left hand? Didn't really mean what he was saying? Wouldn't be the first or last time.

But it wasn't a big lie that Trump colluded with Russia? Mueller and his hand picked crew of Hillary supporters spent 2 years and 10's of milions of tax payer dollars and only proved that it was a complete lie.

You are a liar and a anti American terrorist.

[RED]

Like it or not, impeachment is 100% part of the Constitution

Yes, and the constitution says it can only be for "High Crimes and Misdeamors."

There is ZERO evidence that Trump has committed a "High Crime,(or any other) " All the evidence that the Dems have is only opinions. "In my opinion Trump lied to his grand daughter on Halloween." Therefore let's impeach the SOB!

So Trump encouraged the President of the Ukraine to look into the multi million dollar Burisma business payments to Hunter Biden. Hello!!!! When did it become a high crime for anybody to ask someone in a foreign nation to look into criminal activity in their own country?

Obama broke a treaty with Ukraine when he allowed Russia to annex the Crimea. He withheld logistical support, weapons, and ammunition. And not a whimper from the National, Socialist, NAZI's, Anything Russia did was OK with the Obama administration...

So now, a publicly released conversation between Presidents where one asks the other to obey the law and look at lawless corruption, is a "High Crime?"

[PWC]

What process? Impeachment is part of the constitution, so is due process; the right to confront your accuser, right to representation, the right to cross examine witnesses, all pf which have been denied. So, the impeachment rules as approved by the dem legislature, are unconstitutional, so the "approved process" is unconstitutional.

[dryheat]

High crimes and misdemeanors, that pretty much covers it from top to bottom. Well these days we would need a little more description. A misdemeanor is jaywalking. What the heck is a High Crime? Sounds like something from Seven Years Before the Mast. I think buggery is a high crime, or pretty close. Not that we're close. We don't like you; is that grounds for impeachment? Barney says, you have to like everyone. Well, let's hang Barney from a tree. Cohen was on t.v. Sunday and was frothing about Trump. [me]"he thinks he doesn't need to consult anyone". Well,that streamlines movement that most of us(conservatives) are in agreement with. If you do it the old way, nothing gets done. "It's time for a change". How many times have you heard that one? Now we have change. You know I mention Pet Semetary. I think this version is reversed. Trump is the bad version. Next we need the real version. Someone who does everything Trump does but no weird tweets. Red is the bad version of Red. Sometimes you get a glimpse of someone sane.

[togor]

What process? Impeachment is part of the constitution, so is due process; the right to confront your accuser, right to representation, the right to cross examine witnesses, all pf which have been denied. So, the impeachment rules as approved by the dem legislature, are unconstitutional, so the "approved process" is unconstitutional.

There is a good answer to this. Can you accept it? We will find out!

Up to now it has been an investigation, gathering evidence. Is a defense lawyer allowed to tag along when the police interview witnesses? No!

Next it moves to a public phase, more like a grand jury, in that the House will take a public vote on the indictment or not. In this phase, there is cross-examination, calling of witnesses by both sides, etc. More rights by far than what a target of a criminal grand jury receives.

Lastly to the public trial in the senate, where per the current senate rules, the Chief Justice presides. Note that the constitution does not spell out the details of impeachment other than the House indicts, the Senate tries.

There's your answer.

Trump has been successful in one aspect of this, making impeachment about him. But whose country is it? Ours, all of us, whether you voted for Trump or not. We have rights too, in this case, to see that the thing is done properly. So that means: let the President tell his side of the story, but more importantly, get the full story out. What really happened? True we don't get to vote directly, our Senators do that for us, but we are the ultimate stakeholders here. We are the reason there is a country at all. Not Trump.

So if you're for the Constitution, then that means you have to be 100% for a properly run impeachment proceeding. That means, above all else, getting the whole story out there, what really happened. That's how fair trials work, right? So yes, Trump gets a vigorous defense, no he doesn't have to be called to the stand, if there is a call transcript in the vaults, he has to produce it. If senior level witnesses saw things, they are fair game for prosecution and defense alike.

And Dryheat: jamming things up in checks and balances was exactly what the founders had in mind. If your complaint is that Trump doesn't have enough power, then you're doing United States of America wrong. Think: the next liberal president banning guns on fiat. Right?

[S.A. Boggs]

The impeachment trial can be turn onto anyone with a subpoena. Can you imagine Pelosi or other's having to testify under oath with a federal perjury charge hanging over one's head? Let our Constitution do what it was designed for letting the truth finally come out. My fear is that this has the potential to really hurt the Democratic Party, not good to have a one party government.
Sam

[Allen]

My fear is that this has the potential to really hurt the Democratic Party, not good to have a one party government.
Sam

Agree, but we've had a one party government for decades. Call them Republicans, GOP, swamp or RINO's, they're all in bed together with the democrats. That's why Trump is getting so much resistance from both sides. There's only a hand full of conservatives that ally with Trump.

Time for a true Republican party again with unity.