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  • togor
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    • Nov 2009
    • 17610

    #16
    Originally posted by lyman
    you argument would hold water if it weren't for the fact that as mentioned elsewhere, Trump has met resistance to damn near everything since the morning after the election,

    and it has been a constant barrage since,

    every
    single
    day,

    when plan A did not work, then lets try plan B,,,


    what are we on now??? Plan R or S??
    All you did was restate your premise without refuting mine. You are saying that by being in a political p*ssing match since day 1 he is immune from being held accountable for his actions in year 3. Correct?

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    • pmclaine
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2010
      • 2555

      #17
      Originally posted by togor
      You mean shaking down the Ukraine President for a political errand? Agreed.
      You mean asking the President of the Ukraine to look into the Crowd strike smear committed during the 2016 run up resulting in the farce of the Russia collusion scam. Than asking what is this that Joe Biden speak of on tape where he demanded Ukraine fire their "AG" or lose their military aid?

      Yeah thats a crime.....

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      • togor
        Banned
        • Nov 2009
        • 17610

        #18
        Originally posted by pmclaine
        You mean asking the President of the Ukraine to look into the Crowd strike smear committed during the 2016 run up resulting in the farce of the Russia collusion scam. Than asking what is this that Joe Biden speak of on tape where he demanded Ukraine fire their "AG" or lose their military aid?

        Yeah thats a crime.....
        If you repeat story long enough will it be true? Umm no.

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        • lyman
          Administrator - OFC
          • Aug 2009
          • 11269

          #19
          Originally posted by togor
          All you did was restate your premise without refuting mine. You are saying that by being in a political p*ssing match since day 1 he is immune from being held accountable for his actions in year 3. Correct?
          I'm saying why do we still have a pissing match after 3 yrs,


          and why are we wasting $$$ to find nothing,,


          time to stop, don't you think?

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          Originally posted by togor
          If you repeat story long enough will it be true? Umm no.
          do you mention this this to CNN, Dan Rather, Brian Williams etc etc?



          and are you saying Biden is innocent?

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          hmmmm




          Former US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch testified Friday that the Obama administration was so concerned about Hunter Biden’s job on Burisma’s board of directors that she was asked prep questions about the issue by White House staffers before her 2016 Senate confirmation.

          In response to questions from GOP counsel Stephen Castor, Yovanovitch testified at the House Intelligence Committee’s second public impeachment hearing that she had been informed about the lucrative gig Hunter Biden landed with the petroleum producer — which paid the son of then-Vice President Joe Biden as much as $50,000 a month despite his seeming lack of relevant experience — but took no action when she arrived at her post.

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          • togor
            Banned
            • Nov 2009
            • 17610

            #20
            You're saying the Biden(s?) are guilty....of something. Precision beyond that neither necessary or desirable for sustaining belief.

            Even if I was predisposed to go along with any of the stories pushed by Trump defenders, in the process of doing due diligence on them they fall apart. Most guys wanna own the rifle in the story so they buy the story. I buy the rifle.
            Last edited by togor; 11-15-2019, 12:58. Reason: Typos

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            • lyman
              Administrator - OFC
              • Aug 2009
              • 11269

              #21
              Originally posted by togor
              You're saying the Biden(s?) are guilty....of something. Precision beyond that neither necessary or desirable for sustaining belief.

              Even if I was predisposed to go along with any of the stories pushed by Trump defenders, in the process of doing due diligence on them they fall apart. Most guys wanna own the rifle in the story so they buy the story. I buy the rifle.
              hmm

              to use your analogy, you actually are looking for the Smoking Gun while believing the part of the story,

              the trump supporters are looking at the other part of the story,

              some of us understand that one party has a habit of wanting to prosecute others for crimes they have already committed, and are blind to it,


              but that's ok, when you elect a Dim next election,, you won't have to worry about that rifle, just listen to the stories of when you could,,,

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              • togor
                Banned
                • Nov 2009
                • 17610

                #22
                Hang on now. No one has said the Bidens did anything. Guilt by inference drives Trump supporters nuts, but they're gonna do it with the Bidens? Not much of a mentality there.

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                • lyman
                  Administrator - OFC
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 11269

                  #23
                  Originally posted by togor
                  Hang on now. No one has said the Bidens did anything. Guilt by inference drives Trump supporters nuts, but they're gonna do it with the Bidens? Not much of a mentality there.
                  lift up the rock,,

                  do some research

                  Biden has been accused of doing exactly what Trump has been accused,

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                  • Gun Smoke
                    Banned
                    • Sep 2019
                    • 1658

                    #24
                    Originally posted by togor
                    Hang on now. No one has said the Bidens did anything.
                    Both the Biden's have admitted to wrong doings but the democrats and the media don't want to hear anything about that.

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                    • togor
                      Banned
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 17610

                      #25
                      Originally posted by lyman
                      lift up the rock,,

                      do some research

                      Biden has been accused of doing exactly what Trump has been accused,
                      Which is...and which Biden?

                      Actually I know the answer to both. The counter argument is that Burisma put Americans on their board to help clean things up. No one has said Hunter acted against US or Bursima interests. And what Dad did was in broad daylight and in consensus with the EU. Trump meanwhile sends Rudy and friends on a dark errand, and the money only pops loose once the whistleblower complaint comes out. And the full transcript still sits on the secret server, and the principals are forbidden from giving first hand accounts by Trump (rocks he doesn't want lifted). So saying they're the same thing is just another fiction people tell themselves to feel better.

                      People don't really want to stare into the dark void that is at the center of Trump's being. I get it. I don't either. But it makes no sense to me to want such a man as President.

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                      • Gun Smoke
                        Banned
                        • Sep 2019
                        • 1658

                        #26
                        Originally posted by togor
                        Which is...and which Biden?

                        People don't really want to stare into the dark void that is at the center of Trump's being. I get it. I don't either. But it makes no sense to me to want such a man as President.
                        Only if you're an anti-American socialist with ties to other countries. Trump is the best president we've seen during our lifetime and has accomplished this by not being a politician, can't be bought off and exposes the guilty in all forms of corruption.

                        The democrats and news media have a nice warm rat's nest and they don't want it disturbed.

                        As far as the Biden's, the internet is full of their involvements and wrong doings that they admit to. Makes you wonder how much they have done to admit to anything at all. Look it up.

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                        • Vern Humphrey
                          Administrator - OFC
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 15875

                          #27
                          They hate Trump because he has made ordinary Americans prosperous and is cutting off the supply of illegal voters.

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                          • togor
                            Banned
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 17610

                            #28
                            Ad hominem attacks an emotional arguments.

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                            • Sandpebble
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2017
                              • 2196

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                              They hate Trump because he has made ordinary Americans prosperous and is cutting off the supply of illegal voters.
                              Well.... funny you mention that Vern .... because as a self employed small business owner { who employs others } I have suffered my business expenses rise 17 % over the past 2 years .

                              On top of that the promised "tax cut" resulted in my paying higher quarterly tax payments while netting considerably less than four years ago...... and still had to write an additional check at years end.

                              any other small business guys like to chime in ?? ... I'd love to hear it

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                              • barretcreek
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2013
                                • 6065

                                #30
                                Here's the video of Joe bragging about getting the prosecutor fired. Yovanovich refused to approve visas for Ukrainian officials who wanted to talk to Congress about it.

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                                Last edited by barretcreek; 11-16-2019, 02:01.

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