Boris' Big Win is a portent of how Trump will Win Big too...

[dogtag]

Of course Corbyn is a Stalinist so really no big surprise
that he lost, but it shows that Conservatives in the UK don't
want Communism any more than the American voters do.
In the last Conservative big win it was Reagan/Thatcher,
now it will be Trump/Boris.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10541284/election-exit-poll-boris-johnson-on-course-for-a-majority-as-polls-predict-tory-win/

[togor]

It's possible, DT. Euro politics have led US politics to some extent. Yet there are differences too. The shape of Brexit will tell a lot. Right now indications point to the Little Englanders throwing the Northern Irish under the bus. A remarkable act, really. After 1,000 years, the Anglo-Saxons meet the future by turning inward, becoming a diminished race.

[lyman]

anglo saxon is a race?

[togor]

anglo saxon is a race?

In America 2019 we lump races into large groups based on visible characteristics only and use of the word "race" is automatically taken as "racist" and therefore "bad". In an old world context from the age of imperial expansion, yes, they referred to themselves and each other by races, and it wasn't a bad word in that context. Churchill used the word freely, and he was a bit of a throwback. By referencing "after 1,000 years" I refer to a span a time in which the term has relevance. Though the edges are a bit fuzzy, the politics of Brexit break a large extent on ethnicity. Scots and other Celts and those who identify with Norman decent lean pro-Europe, while those who identify strongly as Anglo-Saxon lean towards separating from Europe.

[lyman]

that is just a bunch of hooey,

if you want to be that way in 2019 fine,, but realize that also makes you part of the race baiting or race card problem

Caucasian is Caucasian, African\Asian\etc etc all as well,
being from some somewhere or having ancestors in an area doesn't change that,

[togor]

that is just a bunch of hooey,

if you want to be that way in 2019 fine,, but realize that also makes you part of the race baiting or race card problem

Caucasian is Caucasian, African\Asian\etc etc all as well,
being from some somewhere or having ancestors in an area doesn't change that,

Tell Vern that historical context is a bunch of hooey. All you're doing is admitting you don't know how to use the word correctly, unladen from the current PC BS.

Back to Brexit....do you even know which ethnicity set it off? And yes, there is one in particular.

[Vern Humphrey]

anglo saxon is a race?

Be nice now. Liberals HAVE to play the race and sex cards -- those are the only two cards in their deck.

[togor]

Be nice now. Liberals HAVE to play the race and sex cards -- those are the only two cards in their deck.

I have to do everything around here.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Anglo-Saxon_Race

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The point being that England has turned inward in a big way, and it wasn't ongoing affiliations with (and immigration from) the former dominions that did it.

[lyman]

Tell Vern that historical context is a bunch of hooey. All you're doing is admitting you don't know how to use the word correctly, unladen from the current PC BS.

Back to Brexit....do you even know which ethnicity set it off? And yes, there is one in particular.

all I am doing is watching you prove others right,

you bring race into this w\ no need and a pile of hooey to back it up,

we already proved you are racist in the past , remember? you could not backpeddle you way out of that,

I use the word as intended, or at least as used by the .gov, (see 4473's every day,,,) you want to make crap up or create something to stir a pot that is not even on the stove,

now you have changed the page to ethnicity? and want to be all superior and flash your arrogance,


BTW,, what has Vern go to do with anything here?

[Vern Humphrey]

all I am doing is watching you prove others right,

you bring race into this w\ no need and a pile of hooey to back it up,

we already proved you are racist in the past , remember? you could not backpeddle you way out of that,

I use the word as intended, or at least as used by the .gov, (see 4473's every day,,,) you want to make crap up or create something to stir a pot that is not even on the stove,

now you have changed the page to ethnicity? and want to be all superior and flash your arrogance,


BTW,, what has Vern go to do with anything here?

I just fired a shot into the woods at random, and Togor fell out of a tree.

[dryheat]

PC BS I don't think that's a liberal term.
-and it wasn't ongoing affiliations with (and immigration from) the former dominions that did it.
I'm curious to know what dominions those are. I kind thought that immigration from former dominions was a big part of it. You know stabbings on London bridge and all.

[RED]

Yesterday every left wing American idiot was 100% sure of the outcome of the election in GB just as they were about the American election in 2016. Not one "news," source either here or overseas predicted a victory for conservatives... much less a landslide blowout.

To the left if you are proud to be an American, proud to be a military veteran, or if you love your country then you are a racist/sexist/low life pig.

[Roadkingtrax]

[togor]

all I am doing is watching you prove others right,

you bring race into this w\ no need and a pile of hooey to back it up,

we already proved you are racist in the past , remember? you could not backpeddle you way out of that,

I use the word as intended, or at least as used by the .gov, (see 4473's every day,,,) you want to make crap up or create something to stir a pot that is not even on the stove,

now you have changed the page to ethnicity? and want to be all superior and flash your arrogance,


BTW,, what has Vern go to do with anything here?

............sigh.................

Vern is a history major, has taught history, is certainly familiar with the term "r---" to refer to different European ethnicities, and he is familiar with the Europeans themselves using that term. Obviously he isn't going to take my side on anything, but neither he is tripping over the word in the way that you chose to do. In fact if you go to any dictionary, you will see that the two words, r--- and ethnicity, have overlap. So the usage was correct even if it triggered.

So besides proving that you can scan my post and get triggered by a word (correctly used) and divert the discussion into an opportunity to call me names, what else have you added to the post?

Since no one else wants to talk to DT about this, I will.

DT, what I hear is that labor ran a campaign about everything but Brexit, and the Tories ran on Brexit specifically. People are fed up with the whole thing and so they voted to end the ambiguity. Whether Brexit makes things better or worse going forward, well it's one of those times where we can have our opinions, but actually get to watch it play out. Like fans of two clubs who chatter a lot beforehand, but then there's a match, just as there will be a Brexit.

Boris broke the stalemate by agreeing to leave NI in a customs union with the Republic--something May refused to do with her backstop. With enough Tories, he doesn't need the Unionists anymore to get that through. So it really is a fascinating period in British history. There are a million details to be sorted out and probably some bad moments too. But it's possible that the British protestants are throwing in the towel on Northern Ireland, starting a slow but inevitable movement towards a unification of Ireland.

Back in the EU they are happy because better to have an ambivalent England on the outside looking in rather than on the inside wondering about whether or not to get out. So they have their way forward. A country to watch is Poland. I have been told repeatedly that it was the Poles of all people, moving freely to Britain, which set English teeth on edge. The Poles are a hardworking and forthright (and some say noisy) people, and had no problems moving the countryside where the more posh natives often didn't want live. Are they grandfathered in as resident non-aliens? On a citizenship path? Kicked out? Still unknown and a very interesting issue to watch. But the Poles and other Euros who came to the UK were no slackers and so a settlement that encourages a talented group of people (EU citizens) to out-migrate would represent a real loss to the island.

Meanwhile Labor got murdered in Scotland, losing seats to Tories, but also the SNP. For multiple reasons (not the least of which is seeing the Hague as a counter-balance against London), the Scots would prefer to stay in the EU. Would there be a second referendum on independence? I don't know, but would think it would be hard for London to sanction such a thing, if they have a say in the matter.

[lyman]

this is where RED gets his twist and turn from,

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suddenly back on topic,,


amazing,