Governor White Face and the National Guard ...

[dogtag]

It seems to me that his threat to loose the National Guard
on the State's citizens in order to confiscate their firearms
is akin to threatening someone with a revolver the chambers
of which are obviously empty.
Back in history Governor George Wallace called out the
National Guard in order to prevent Black kids from entering
school. President Johnson then Federalized the Guard and
ordered them to escort the kids to school.
Presumably President Trump would act similarly in response
to White Face's flagrant disregard of the 2nd Amdt.

[togor]

You're probably right on this one.

[lyman]

time will tell,

now it is just a bunch of posturing on both sides,

[Vern Humphrey]

It seems to me that his threat to loose the National Guard
on the State's citizens in order to confiscate their firearms
is akin to threatening someone with a revolver the chambers
of which are obviously empty.
Back in history Governor George Wallace called out the
National Guard in order to prevent Black kids from entering
school. President Johnson then Federalized the Guard and
ordered them to escort the kids to school.

That was Orville Faubus, governor of Arkansas, not George Wallace of Alabama.

Presumably President Trump would act similarly in response
to White Face's flagrant disregard of the 2nd Amdt.

We'll see.

[RED]

That was Orville Faubus, governor of Arkansas, not George Wallace of Alabama.

We'll see.

Beg to differ just a bit... Not only did Eisenhower federalize the Arkansas National Guard he replaced them with the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division and essentially declared Martial Law. Law abiding U.S. citizens who happened to live in the neighbor hood, were restricted from coming and going to or from their own houses, searched without a warrants, and bullied beyond belief.

BTW, My wife of 49 years graduated in the same class of '63 at Little Rock's Central High School with the first black students to ever graduate from there.

[dogtag]

That was Orville Faubus, governor of Arkansas, not George Wallace of Alabama.

We'll see.

You're confused Vern. Look up "Stand in the Schoolhouse Door"

[RED]

You're confused Vern. Look up "Stand in the Schoolhouse Door"

No Dog you are confused... What Wallace did was symbolic. What Faubus did preceded Wallace by 3 years. No U.S. Army troops were dispatched to Alabama to get Wallace "out of the door." No U.S. 101st Airborne Division on the streets of Alabam using M-1 Garand butt stocks busting teeth and faces of law abiding Americans.

[lyman]

either way,

he is called Gov Blackface, (cause of the picture) or Gov KKK, (since he never admitted which one he was,,,the guy in blackface or the guy in the clan outfit)

same yearbook has him in it with the nickname coonman, so he gets called that a lot too,,


fact is, he was Lt Gov under McAuliffe, a known Clintonista,

he gets his marching orders from several places,

[dogtag]

The main point of the post was that the National Guard can be Federalized
which would thwart the Governor's plans should he attempt to use them for
his gun confiscation.

[Vern Humphrey]

The main point of the post was that the National Guard can be Federalized
which would thwart the Governor's plans should he attempt to use them for
his gun confiscation.

That is correct. I was a Junior in High School in Arkansas at the time (although not in Little Rock) and remember it well. The President can federalize the Guard -- and take command away from the Governor.

[dogtag]

I thought it was Johnson. It was a Kennedy exec order.

[lyman]

The main point of the post was that the National Guard can be Federalized
which would thwart the Governor's plans should he attempt to use them for
his gun confiscation.

the governor assumes that folks will comply, and is posturing to get his point across,

fact is, most won't,

like NZ, New York and CT, the compliance numbers will be low,


hopefully the folks that are energized by all this will actually vote in the next elections, and put an end to it

[Vern Humphrey]

I thought it was Johnson. It was a Kennedy exec order.

Nope, it was Eisenhower. The crisis was in September, 1957. Kennedy did not take office until January, 1961.

Added -- I mis-spoke earlier. I was not a Junior in High School, I was a Senior. I graduated in March, 1958.

[Art]

Nope, it was Eisenhower. The crisis was in September, 1957. Kennedy did not take office until January, 1961.

Added -- I mis-spoke earlier. I was not a Junior in High School, I was a Senior. I graduated in March, 1958.

Probably Eisenhower's finest moment.

I was a little kid but I was really spooked listening to the news and watching that stuff on the "tube." Ike was not going to let the state of Arkansas defy a Supreme Court decision and the action of federalizing the Arkansas Guard and sending in the 82ndst Airborne was risky. For a brief period it looked like there actually be shooting between the Arkansas Guard and the 82nd but cooler heads prevailed and Ike's action was effective quickley. An interesting note is that in these Federal Government vs State confrontations where children had to be escorted to school the Border Patrol was sometimes tasked with that duty, because they were the only Federal uniformed police available. Just a footnote.

[dogtag]

[QUOTE=Vern Humphrey;570705]Nope, it was Eisenhower. The crisis was in September, 1957. Kennedy did not take office until January, 1961.

Jeezus, can't you stay on the subject - George Wallace ?

The Stand in the Schoolhouse Door took place at Foster Auditorium at the University of Alabama on June 11, 1963. George Wallace, the Democratic Governor of Alabama, in a symbolic attempt to keep his inaugural promise of "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" and stop the desegregation of schools, stood at the door of the auditorium to try to block the entry of two African American students: Vivian Malone and James Hood.[1]

In response, President John F. Kennedy issued Executive Order 11111, which federalized the Alabama National Guard, and Guard General Henry V. Graham then commanded Wallace to step aside.[2] Wallace then spoke further, but eventually moved, and Malone and Hood completed their registration. The incident brought Wallace into the national spotlight.[3]