California schools can no longer suspend students who defy teachers!

[sid]

I just saw this on Fox News. This stuff in CA just keeps getting worse and worse.

[Vern Humphrey]

The Public School system nation-wide, not just in California, has collapsed.

[togor]

The problem is the kids are coming to school not ready to learn. Lousy home life for one reason or another. Poverty plays a role as wages are held down at the bottom. Teachers are not perfect, but with better paying options out there, not everyone who goes into teaching is a first class talent. What's going on in schools is just a symptom of larger societal problems.

[blackhawknj]

Something like 1/3 of all welfare recipients live in California so the schools get a lot of kids who are just "meal tickets" for their mothers.

[togor]

Something like 1/3 of all welfare recipients live in California so the schools get a lot of kids who are just "meal tickets" for their mothers.

Should they have been aborted? Left to fend for themselves on the streets? Sold to wealthy, childless couples? Hard to blame the schools in any case.

[blackhawknj]

How about a little self control, some sense of decency and morality ? The welfare system is a good example of "What you permit, you promote."

[togor]

How about a little self control, some sense of decency and morality ? The welfare system is a good example of "What you permit, you promote."

We could set up reeducation camps like the Han Chinese are doing with the Uighurs. Would that kind of wholesale state supervision make you feel that taxpayer dollars are better protected? Maybe the poor need to be protected from their own propensity to make bad decisions?

Ask any teacher and they'll tell you how frustrating it is to see kids come in the building from sh*tty life situations that leave them unprepared to learn.

[Marty T.]

Then we're right back to the parents having some "self control, sense of decency and morality" and teaching their kids that instead of teaching how to milk the system.
That would end the kids being in the "bad situations". And I have kids in school so I see it, and know how it would help if parents decided to be "parents and not friends" and raise their kids instead of letting them grow up learning whatever they can on their own.

[Gun Smoke]

Before the days of welfare/socialism/communism poor people were taken care of by family members whether it be parents, grandparents or a distant cousin. It was not the responsibility of the taxpayers to pay for their special education, rehab, mentally challenged problems and certainly not to feed them so their parents could make more of them.

The truly needy who were trying to do their best always got sympathy and handouts especially those that were handicapped but now days they are overstretching their demands. Everybody these days can declare they need "something" and expect someone else to pay for it.

[togor]

GS, in other words the Good Old Days of the Gilded Age.

https://www.pinterest.com/melhotho/gilded-age-immigration/

Economic growth rates were even higher then. People say they think we ought to go "back" to the modern equivalent of that era, but I doubt they really mean it.

[dryheat]

Life is a sine wave. It has it's ups and downs. No one wants to see six year olds in coal mines but things have swung a little too far. Everyone has "rights". Everyone should have rights, but not "rights". When parents allow six year olds to decide what they will and will not do or even decide their own sex it's getting silly and dangerous.

[rayg]

Bad times. Those times are over. There were no official government programs like welfare payments, Social security, unemployment benefits, free food programs, etc. then. People had to work to live, including the kids. Times have changed. Now some people can just lay around all day and get fed and receive things they didn't have to work or pay for .. I don't have any problem of those that for some reason cannot work, like lay off's, disabilities etc. It's the free loaders I have a problem with. I had to work a number of jobs that I really hated but I had a family to feed....Took unemployment for one week when I got laid off one time, I hated it. Went out and found a job the next week.

[Gun Smoke]

Bad times. Those times are over. There were no official government programs like welfare payments, Social security, unemployment benefits, free food programs, etc. then. People had to work to live, including the kids. Times have changed. Now some people can just lay around all day and get fed and receive things they didn't have to work or pay for .. I don't have any problem of those that for some reason cannot work, like lay off's, disabilities etc. It's the free loaders I have a problem with. I had to work a number of jobs that I really hated but I had a family to feed....Took unemployment for one week when I got laid off one time, I hated it. Went out and found a job the next week.

Unemployment compensation is a program you and your employer have to pay into and the employers part increases if very many employees make a claim.
Even though you were forced to pay into it (and it's a good program) you can only receive benefits for a limited time.

Many if not most welfare recipients never pay a cent into the program and can collect $ and food stamps for an unlimited time including their following generations.

As long as the democrats can grow a society of useless people with their hands out they will never be short of votes. The definition of socialism.

[Vern Humphrey]

Then we're right back to the parents having some "self control, sense of decency and morality" and teaching their kids that instead of teaching how to milk the system.
That would end the kids being in the "bad situations". And I have kids in school so I see it, and know how it would help if parents decided to be "parents and not friends" and raise their kids instead of letting them grow up learning whatever they can on their own.

I think we should start with parents on welfare -- we pay them because they are parents, and we have a right to expect them to be GOOD parents. Make welfare payments contingent on how well their kids do in school.

[blackhawknj]

A few years ago I knew a school administrator in a district in Bucks County, Pa, he said they held up welfare checks to parents whose kids constantly skipped school, they had to come into talk to administrators about it. No doubt a lot of bleeding hearts would say that violates, their rights, hurts their self-esteem, etc.
AFDC ceased to be "widows and orphans" decades ago, it's exclusively unwed mothers today.
I recall there was one up and coming California politician whose career was derailed when it was revealed his kids attended private schools.