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Two armed parishioners did the right thing.
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Two armed parishioners did the right thing. -
Agreed! Appropriate result of a stupid/ desperate act. Doubt this would ever happen in California among other states. -
At least in Texas churches have become less and less vulnerable to lunatics.
In Texas churches have become very security conscious, especially since the Sutherland Springs Baptist Church shooting where a nutwad killed 24 parishoners and wounded 20 before being stopped by gunshot wounds inflicted by a fellow (NRA instructor) who lived next to the church. Some have designated armed parishioners on the campus at all times, these people are usually professionals donating their time. I once went to a church that used this system, in fact the pastor during a message said that he had been asked by members about carrying in church. He said that there were people in every service in the pews who were armed and specifically there for security and know who each other are. He warned to be careful about pulling a gun during an active shooter situation if you weren't one of these designated people to avoid being shot by mistake. The church we currently go to has uniformed cops on campus during services (I bet that isn't cheap.) Both solutions can be effective, I suspect the shooter in "Foat Wuth" ran into people in the first category.
I also noted its a Church of Christ, the denomination the "Duck Dynasty" Robertson family belongs to.
One way or the other this fellow will no longer burden society. Its just too bad he did as much damage as he did before the good guys took him out.
I also saw that the string of anti semitic attacks continues in New York with a new incident in the NYC "burbs." It can be a tough time for people of faith all around. Some faiths more than others.Last edited by Art; 12-29-2019, 04:54.Comment
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Religious leaders who oppose carrying guns in church must take the blame for any massacre of their unarmed people.Comment
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Good point about having their own teams and letting them deal with any assailants.
Some people need to learn that being a Christian doesn't mean you stand by passively when evil occurs.Comment
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Yes... enablers are the problem. Jackasses enablers like you think government is your God, and the cure for everything.
You have never done anything in this world for anybody other than your self.
If you can watch the shooting on a big screen, you can see that two of the worshippers confronted the shooter immediately and it appears the first victim was reaching for his CCW he was shot and went down immediately, the second victim was shot but the third worshipper fired from several feet away and took the perp down.
If the stooges have their way the killer nwould have been the only one armed.Last edited by RED; 12-29-2019, 05:07.Comment
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I'm a Texan. I carry a 1911 everywhere I go but while I'm in work. I've watched two videos of the shooting numerous times as a lesson learned exercise. Its now being reported that the security team had there eyes on this guy as he didn't fit into what was the norm. A CBS news report using the film blows it up and you can see the guy pull out a shotgun, a church member stands up and attempts to draw his weapon and gets shot. This gives time for a man who is identified as a retired officer time to draw his weapon and engage the shooter. I only count one shot fired at the killer and he goes down hard.
Many of us have years of range time and thousands of rds down range. I always scan my area and look for threats and escape routes. Its a sad thing to say put we must be prepared for acts like this.
I've taken a shining to my AR Pistol, its short, handy and has 30rds at my finger tips. After watching this video Id carry it if I was a member of a security team.To Error Is Human To Forgive Is Not SAC PolicyComment
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draw_from_concealment_6750combo.jpgThe first guy was very brave but too slow, it took him more than two seconds to "clear leather." This is why you should practice drawing from concealment.....a lot! The gal in the picture is doing the under the jacket draw right.I'm a Texan. I carry a 1911 everywhere I go but while I'm in work. I've watched two videos of the shooting numerous times as a lesson learned exercise. Its now being reported that the security team had there eyes on this guy as he didn't fit into what was the norm. A CBS news report using the film blows it up and you can see the guy pull out a shotgun, a church member stands up and attempts to draw his weapon and gets shot. This gives time for a man who is identified as a retired officer time to draw his weapon and engage the shooter. I only count one shot fired at the killer and he goes down hard.
Many of us have years of range time and thousands of rds down range. I always scan my area and look for threats and escape routes. Its a sad thing to say put we must be prepared for acts like this.
I've taken a shining to my AR Pistol, its short, handy and has 30rds at my finger tips. After watching this video Id carry it if I was a member of a security team.
typical Volk RKBA pic but it makes the point while getting your attention.
Armed people appeared from all over the place in the church, God bless Texas.Last edited by Art; 12-29-2019, 11:42.Comment
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I'll agree with the first part, somewhat,
the second had me going with you until I got to the part in the brackets,,,
why blame the gun? it's a tool,
anyhoo,,
concealed is concealed, as mentioned earlier,
and I have sold a lot of firearms to folks in the past few years that are part of a church security team (some supported by the church, some not, but members do it anyway)Comment
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With respect, No. Without equivocation, No. No one at all is to blame for this or any other evil person who chooses to act violently. Society is not to blame. The firearms company is not to blame. The police are not to blame. The pastor nor any other member of a church are to blame. Blame, responsibility, fault, etc. are squarely and totally the consequence of the person who acts in a criminal manner. It is that simple.
I first dealt w/ a unstable street person in a worship setting while I was associate pastor at a inner-city church in New Orleans, LA. That was while I was a student in seminary (1979-1982). Had to do so by hand since at the time I owned no handgun. Over the following years I have had multiple church members who have carried (concealed) weapons during the services of the church. In some locations I have carried a pistol in my briefcase or in my pocket. One of the few times I've ever been thankful for wearing a robe while leading worship is during first Sunday worship services when leading the Communion service. A robe is extremely handy for covering a weapon. Speed of deployment is not an issue. If necessary a robe will rip. Guarantee that if ripped getting a gun into action to protect members from a criminal, later a new robe would be easily obtained! Sincerely. bruce." Unlike most conservatives, libs have no problem exploiting dead children and dancing on their graves."Comment
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While I don't blame the pastor for such shootings the pastor and church congregation should not take the stand of "your firearms not welcome here".
This goes for banks too.
The assailant or robber will always have a weapon. Posting signs stating "no guns allowed" informs them that the place is unarmed and "ripe for the picking."
All places of business (except courtrooms) should welcome a person concealing a permitted weapon.
While churches don't post signs there is still the anti-gun attitude and scaredy cat liberals who get all excited when a gun is seen.
Maybe this will start a trend of wake-up calls. It's getting a lot of attention and the anti-gun news media can't stand it.
Thanks you Texas !Comment
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