Why do Jews continually vote for those who oppress them ? ...

[dogtag]

I can think of many more unanswerable questions, but this
one interests me because time after time Jews go to the polls
and vote for democrats who they must know, assuming they're
not stupid, that socialistic politicians, which is what the democrat
party now consists of, have never done anything for the Jewish
people except persecute them ? I suspect that under the top hat
and behind the shaggy beard is a mostly empty cavity, but surely
the non 'orthodox' Jews would have more sense ? Or do they ?

[Roadkingtrax]

In Israel?

[Art]

Its the opposite of what you think, dogtag. Orthodox and conservative Jews are the most conservative, both politically and socially. Hasidic Jews who you refer to as top hat and shaggy beard are the most conservative of all and contain a large number of Trump supporters. They are a very small percentage of the total Jewish population.

The non orthodox secular and reform Jews who are by far the largest percentage of the Jewish population are the ones who walk in lock step with the Dems; and the Jewish pols they vote for locally like Dianne Feinstein, Jerold Nadler, Chuck Schumer, Richard Blumenthal, Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Bernie Sanders who represent them in congress are the real lefties.

[dogtag]

I thought all the orthodox ones did was stand before the Wailing Wall, nod and mumble.
So, I stand corrected. I apologize to the Noddies
So it's the non orthodox ones who are empty headed. Oh well.

[sid]

DOG, most Orthodox Jews, and I know lots of these, are conservative and vote Republican. But the majority of the Jews in this country are either Reform or non-practicing and these are the people who always vote Democrat.

It really is hard to understand why they loved Obama,, who was a Muslim who hated Jews. Corollary to that, they hate Trump who has a Jewish daughter, Jewish son-in-law and Jewish grandchildren. He is also the first president to add Anti-semiticism to the list of Federal Hate Crimes.

In Israel, Netenyahu has said that Trump is the best friend that Israel has ever had and this is certainly true. Trump has put the American embassy in Jerusalem. He has also openly stated that Israel should annex not only the Golan Heights but also a large part of the West Bank. Contrast this with Obama who insisted that Israel had to return to the pre-1967 borders which would have left the country just 8 miles wide. I could additional material but it would just be more of the same.

I just can't make any sense out of it.

[jdmcgrath]

Experience with anti-Semitism makes them sensitive to prejudice in general. Who is to tell them they're wrong.

[Art]

Experience with anti-Semitism makes them sensitive to prejudice in general. Who is to tell them they're wrong.

This is true and runs across the political lines with Jews, both left and right, and I know and have known a lot of both stripes of Jews and have Jewish members in my extended family. Opposing bigotry does not necessarily break across party lines. There are a lot of bigots on the left, they just don't get called out for it as much.

Sid, you can't make sense out of it because it doesn't make sense. People don't always vote their true interests.

[togor]

Experience with anti-Semitism makes them sensitive to prejudice in general. Who is to tell them they're wrong.

DT and Sid, apparently

[Roadkingtrax]

DT and Sid, apparently

The Evan-gentiles only like Jews when they tow the political line. Sorta ironic, all they ever wanted was to live their lives, raise their families, and practice their faith without fear of persecution. Dogtag doesn't seem to like that, and I'm absolutely sure they dont care.

[Art]

The Evan-gentiles only like Jews when they tow the political line. Sorta ironic, all they ever wanted was to live their lives, raise their families, and practice their faith without fear of persecution. Dogtag doesn't seem to like that, and I'm absolutely sure they dont care.

I doubt, from his posts that dogtag is what you call an Evan gentile. I suspect you aren't either but stand to be corrected.

I am one (evangelical Christian) and I can tell you that the most pro Jewish people today, as a group are orthodox (small o) Christians though they get darned little credit for it and this is in spite of the fact that most Jews don't share the politics of most orthodox believing Christians. I have been in a lot of evangelical churches in the last 40 odd years and don't believe to this day I've heard a single anti Semitic remark by anybody in any of them. I remember old Joy Behar, a secular Jew shot off her mouth that the shooting in Atlantic City was done by white supremicists…...ooops, messed up on that one didn't she. They were supremacist but not white.

John Hagee is an evangelical pastor and a very conservative one at that, both politically and theologically. He may not be my cup of tea in some ways but no one can deny that he's one of the most unequivocally pro Jewish people on the planet.

The ugly truth is that most of the anti Semitic incidents are taking place I areas like the Metro New York City area which are hardly hotbeds of Evangelical Christian activity. In fact a lot of the anti Jewish activity is centered in the black communities and on college campuses where it masquerades as anti Zionism, well it may be true that every anti Zionist isn't an anti Semite its also true that every anti Semite is an anti Zionist. I was listening to the Israeli channel the other day and some British Jews were discussing the rising tide of anti Semitism in the U.K. which is mostly on the left in that country. in fact, the Labour Party and Jeremy Corbyn have been so shrouded in very credible charges of Anti Semitism that about half of the Jews in the U.K. are thinking of leaving the country according to recent polling.

I'll admit that the current state of affairs when it comes to the Jews among evangelicals wasn't always the case, nor was it on race issues, but a lot's changed in the last half century and believing Christians have really come around on this one because, for one thing, anti Semitism is incompatible with orthodox Christian belief.

[jdmcgrath]

Evangelical enthusiasm for Zionism also raises issues that are incompatible with Christian belief.

[Vern Humphrey]

Evangelical enthusiasm for Zionism also raises issues that are incompatible with Christian belief.

How so?

[blackhawknj]

The upsurge of Leftism in this country with its anti-religious bigotry had the Unintended Consequence of driving people of faith together, IIRC it was C.S. Lewis who observed that the more conservative practitioners of religions will find they have an awful lot in common. In Jerusalem a few years there was a homosexual rights congress, at a press conference to protest were two Christian bishops, two Orthodox rabbis-and two imams. One of them said the fact that the six of them could get together is such a small area showed this moral issue could override so many of their differences. I have a friend who is an Orthodox rabbi who has several friends who are Evangelical, "born again", Fundamentalists, etc. When I asked him how he felt about discussing the Old Testament with them he said:
"I love it. They've actually read it-and they consider it binding and authoritative."

[Vern Humphrey]

The upsurge of Leftism in this country with its anti-religious bigotry had the Unintended Consequence of driving people of faith together, IIRC it was C.S. Lewis who observed that the more conservative practitioners of religions will find they have an awful lot in common. In Jerusalem a few years there was a homosexual rights congress, at a press conference to protest were two Christian bishops, two Orthodox rabbis-and two imams. One of them said the fact that the six of them could get together is such a small area showed this moral issue could override so many of their differences. I have a friend who is an Orthodox rabbi who has several friends who are Evangelical, "born again", Fundamentalists, etc. When I asked him how he felt about discussing the Old Testament with them he said:
"I love it. They've actually read it-and they consider it binding and authoritative."

But how is that incompatible with Christian belief? What article of Catholic belief is violated by bishops, rabbis and imams working together?