Only the useless will survive "Doomsday" ...

[dogtag]

Millionaires are really good at amassing vast amounts of money, but
how good are they with actual survival skills ? Do they have the
necessary know-how to enable them and their wealthy friends to survive
in a barren landscape when they emerge from their nice comfy bunker ?
Could Warren Buffet dig a well ? How about Rupert Murdoch doing some
gardening ? Maybe Madonna could suck it up and go hunting ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...a-wealthy.html

[Roadkingtrax]

Surely MailyDail has the answer.

But what about Batboy and the B-29 on the moon? There's a mystery to ponder.

[Vern Humphrey]

Hmmm -- I have a shooting range (albeit not indoors). I have a garden, a calf or two fattening and I'm getting an estimate Monday on a propane generator that will power the whole house.

[lyman]

Surely MailyDail has the answer.

But what about Batboy and the B-29 on the moon? There's a mystery to ponder.

I thought Batboy was selling donuts with Elvis and Tupac up in Minnesota somewhere???

[Roadkingtrax]

I thought Batboy was selling donuts with Elvis and Tupac up in Minnesota somewhere???

No, you're thinking of Elizabeth Taylor and Michael Jackson's chimpanzee.

[togor]

Hmmm -- I have a shooting range (albeit not indoors). I have a garden, a calf or two fattening and I'm getting an estimate Monday on a propane generator that will power the whole house.

Propane is not a long term solution if Doomsday strikes and the LP trucks stop running.

[Gun Smoke]

Propane is not a long term solution if Doomsday strikes and the LP trucks stop running.

+1

Got to agree.

Doomsday is doomsday and no fuel source is going to be available. Generators are OK during power outages and storms but consume a lot of fuel. Even if you had nat gas piped in from the local municipalities that wouldn't be available either.

In a real life doomsday situation you would have to give up electricity and rely on wood for heating, cooking and some light but.... everyone else is going to be in the same boat using wood. Unless a lot of people are killed off the wood supply will go fast too. Before long the wood will be consumed faster than it can grow. People would move from the cities to the woods regardless of who owns the land.

Hope we never have to worry about such but I only see a person being able to prolong his life for a short period of time. Murder, lawlessness, stealing and all other forms of criminal activity will be rampant due to everyone trying to survive. Having guns and ammo will help a lot but ammo will need to be reserved for hunting too.

With the population we have now any form of doomsday will be hell on earth.

[S.A. Boggs]

Too many people look upon "survival" as a Walter Mittey which it is not. We have adjusted our lifestyle so there are few bumps in the road. I can prepare for just about anything except our health. Having just fought Stage 4 dual cancer I look at life in a different way. Unless one has lived it, words can't express it. @ age 68 I am planning for my family when I will no longer be here to take care of them. It is not so much as I but them and working together as a family unit. Right now I am looking at the issue of what do with 15 pine trees that I have had taken down from around the cabin to get more sunlight into the greenhouse.
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

+1

Got to agree.

Doomsday is doomsday and no fuel source is going to be available. Generators are OK during power outages and storms but consume a lot of fuel. Even if you had nat gas piped in from the local municipalities that wouldn't be available either.

Doomsday is unlikely. Ice storms occur frequently in the Ozarks -- I prepare for disasters that actually happen, not figments of the imagination.

When I built this house, I put in a fully-finished basement (which stays 55 degrees, year round, without heating.) When ice storm takes out power, the wife and I go to the basement, and fire up the Buck stove and are quite comfortable. I have a gasoline generator for the freezer and Coleman lanterns for light, among other things. One year -- from February 08 to January 09, we had so many power outages we spend 30 days and nights living in the basement. The propane generator will power the house for two weeks -- and that's the longest single outage we've had in more than 20 years.

[Gun Smoke]

Doomsday is unlikely. Ice storms occur frequently in the Ozarks -- I prepare for disasters that actually happen, not figments of the imagination.

When I built this house, I put in a fully-finished basement (which stays 55 degrees, year round, without heating.) When ice storm takes out power, the wife and I go to the basement, and fire up the Buck stove and are quite comfortable. I have a gasoline generator for the freezer and Coleman lanterns for light, among other things. One year -- from February 08 to January 09, we had so many power outages we spend 30 days and nights living in the basement. The propane generator will power the house for two weeks -- and that's the longest single outage we've had in more than 20 years.

Good

When me and my bride went house shopping many years ago we looked at a bi-level house where 2/3 of the bottom floor was below ground level. We entered the house on a hot summer day and noticed that the bottom floor was tolerable w/o the a/c. This particular house was built on a level lot and the back door was sub grade level so it acted like a funnel for rain water. There was much evidence of moisture problems due to this. Had the house been built on a sloping lot for drainage or a porch built over the back door we would have bought it.

Just curious, how much propane does it take to run a whole house for 2 weeks, 500gal?

[Vern Humphrey]

Good

When me and my bride went house shopping many years ago we looked at a bi-level house where 2/3 of the bottom floor was below ground level. We entered the house on a hot summer day and noticed that the bottom floor was tolerable w/o the a/c. This particular house was built on a level lot and the back door was sub grade level so it acted like a funnel for rain water. There was much evidence of moisture problems due to this. Had the house been built on a sloping lot for drainage or a porch built over the back door we would have bought it.

Just curious, how much propane does it take to run a whole house for 2 weeks, 500gal?

Don't know -- I haven't had it installed yet. This is a big house, and I may go with two tanks.

[dogtag]

A couple of EMPs and you have doomsday.
The World runs on electricity. Without it nothing works.
Water no longer comes out of the tap. Gas pumps don't work.
No modern car or truck would work even if it had gas.
Supermarket shelves would be stripped within hours,
warehouses within days. Armed gangs roaming the streets.
Imagine hundreds of thousands pouring out of the cities
looking for food. Critical medicines would not last without
refrigeration. People would be dropping like flies causing
disease. People would wait for help but there won't be any.

"One second after" A good read.

[Vern Humphrey]

A couple of EMPs and you have doomsday.
The World runs on electricity. Without it nothing works.
Water no longer comes out of the tap. Gas pumps don't work.
No modern car or truck would work even if it had gas.
Supermarket shelves would be stripped within hours,
warehouses within days. Armed gangs roaming the streets.
Imagine hundreds of thousands pouring out of the cities
looking for food. Critical medicines would not last without
refrigeration. People would be dropping like flies causing
disease. People would wait for help but there won't be any.

"One second after" A good read.

The problem is, an EMP attack is the same as a nuclear attack -- and will result in massive retaliation. So it won't matter if we have electricity or not -- civilization will cease to exist any way you look at it.

[dogtag]

The problem is, an EMP attack is the same as a nuclear attack -- and will result in massive retaliation. So it won't matter if we have electricity or not -- civilization will cease to exist any way you look at it.

With an EMP there's no damage apart from destruction of electrical grid.
Yes they'll be retaliation but that won't bring the electricity back.

[Vern Humphrey]

With an EMP there's no damage apart from destruction of electrical grid.
Yes they'll be retaliation but that won't bring the electricity back.

The point is that retaliation will be massive -- and there will be no grid in any case. Launching an EMP attack is the same as launching a thermonuclear attack, and will have the same results.