Only the useless will survive "Doomsday" ...

[lyman]

The point is that retaliation will be massive -- and there will be no grid in any case. Launching an EMP attack is the same as launching a thermonuclear attack, and will have the same results.

maybe,

what if some rogue country (think middle east) sneaks one in the US,

[Vern Humphrey]

maybe,

what if some rogue country (think middle east) sneaks one in the US,

You think if we are hit by a nuclear attack -- and to have a significant EMP effect, it will have to be a high burst -- we'd spend weeks and weeks investigating? No. We'd shoot. We'd have to, because AT THE TIME we couldn't know if this was a one-off or the precursor of a massive attack.

[togor]

If someone wants to knock out our grid for awhile there cheaper ways to do it. Some require boots on the ground, some don't.

[barretcreek]

Just curious, how much propane does it take to run a whole house for 2 weeks, 500gal?

500 gals heated my mother's 1600 ft2 house all winter. We had -45 on 18 December, which is still autumn.

[togor]

Just curious, how much propane does it take to run a whole house for 2 weeks, 500gal?

Depends on the electric load, but you are correct to surmise that 14 days on the generator will drink down a lot of LP.

[dogtag]

If someone wants to knock out our grid for awhile there cheaper ways to do it. Some require boots on the ground, some don't.

Not for awhile - for maybe years.
Would take a lot of boots on the ground to knock out the whole of US.

[Roadkingtrax]

Depends on the electric load, but you are correct to surmise that 14 days on the generator will drink down a lot of LP.

A lot quicker with a few 30-06 holes.

[Vern Humphrey]

Not for awhile - for maybe years.
Would take a lot of boots on the ground to knock out the whole of US.

“From whence shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall some trans-Atlantic military giant step the earth and crush us at a blow? Never. All the armies of Europe and Asia...could not by force take a drink from the Ohio River or make a track on the Blue Ridge in the trial of a thousand years."

-- Abraham Lincoln

[togor]

Not for awhile - for maybe years.
Would take a lot of boots on the ground to knock out the whole of US.

It takes relatively few failures to cause a cascade to a widespread blackout if they happen at the right time and in the right places.

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A lot quicker with a few 30-06 holes.

Could never happen in his neck of the woods.

[dogtag]

“From whence shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall some trans-Atlantic military giant step the earth and crush us at a blow? Never. All the armies of Europe and Asia...could not by force take a drink from the Ohio River or make a track on the Blue Ridge in the trial of a thousand years."

-- Abraham Lincoln

An EMP could be launched from a container ship offshore or in NY or San Francisco harbor.

[Vern Humphrey]

An EMP could be launched from a container ship offshore or in NY or San Francisco harbor.

But we don't CARE where it's launched from. We have to retaliate BEFORE more are launched -- which means MAD kicks in when the first one goes off. Essentially, one nuke means Armageddon, no matter who launched it.

[barretcreek]

A lot quicker with a few 30-06 holes.

It happened in California two or three years ago. A few 7.62 took out a transformer at a node.

[Roadkingtrax]

It happened in California two or three years ago. A few 7.62 took out a transformer at a node.

That's what I was thinking about. Shot a hole in the cooling oil reservoir, right?

[Gun Smoke]

Just curious, how much propane does it take to run a whole house for 2 weeks, 500gal?

500 gals heated my mother's 1600 ft2 house all winter. We had -45 on 18 December, which is still autumn.

We're talking about a propane powered generator powering a whole house. Not a propane heater.

Vern guessed 2 weeks and I asked 500 gal? since that is the typical size propane tank for residential use. Hopefully the generator will run longer. It all depends upon usage and load.

[dogtag]

But we don't CARE where it's launched from. We have to retaliate BEFORE more are launched -- which means MAD kicks in when the first one goes off. Essentially, one nuke means Armageddon, no matter who launched it.

How are you going to know who was responsible ?
The Ship's flag won't necessarily point to the culprit.