"We cannot allow case against Trump to be decided at the ballot box"

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[QUOTE=dryheat;572457]So, fair elections are not possible. /QUOTE]

Absolute BS. Yes, the Dems count votes of illegals, felons and dead people... bottom line they cheat. BUT, a big BUT, is that is a precinct to precinct anomaly. 95%+ of the 2016 election was decided by everyday citizens voting legally with a valid ID. Trump won the election with a landslide vote in the Electoral College. The reason was he campaigned in the States that he needed to win and ignored CA, NY, NJ. Had the election been decided by popular vote, the campaign strategy would have been completely different.

Don't fall into the trap that the JJ's are a majority. They represent only about 28% of the population.

Trump received 63 million votes in 2016. He won the Electoral College 304 vs. 224 for Clinton. That is a EC win of 57.6% of the votes but he lost the popular vote by less than 1% (65 vs 63 million).

In 2020 he will get 70 million votes.

The Russians couldn't have changed the outcome no matter what they did. And why would they want a stronger and more aggressive U.S. under Trump when Clinton would have hid in a safe room just like Obama did when Putin invaded and took over 1/3 of the Ukraine.

[togor]

El Presidente means The President. The foreign language doesn't make the title evil.

Too subtle? One is Trump's title, the other belongs to Maduro, Ortega, Pinochet, etc. The language makes a big difference if you ask me.

[dogtag]

Too subtle? One is Trump's title, the other belongs to Maduro, Ortega, Pinochet, etc. The language makes a big difference if you ask me.

It's the Man who is evil, not the title.
Cardinals and Priests - child abusers.
Many WW1 British Generals were in reality murderers
by ordering charge into machine gun fire. (That was evil)
Congressman - Adam Schiff

[lyman]

Too subtle? One is Trump's title, the other belongs to Maduro, Ortega, Pinochet, etc. The language makes a big difference if you ask me.

the comparison reeks of too much drama,

and inaccurate as well,

[togor]

the comparison reeks of too much drama,

and inaccurate as well,

Seems like nitpicking for its own sake. Anyways the point is made, the people of the US have a better track record of keeping their government from spinning out of control (leftward or rightward) than do the peoples living in the South American republics. Our republic if we can keep it.

[Vern Humphrey]

It's the Man who is evil, not the title.
Cardinals and Priests - child abusers.
Many WW1 British Generals were in reality murderers
by ordering charge into machine gun fire. (That was evil)
Congressman - Adam Schiff

A key part of the Allied strategy in WWI was to rack up the casualties -- in order to convince the Russians that the Allies were really fighting. In the eyes of the British High Command, a big butcher's bill was a GOOD thing.

[S.A. Boggs]

Seems like nitpicking for its own sake. Anyways the point is made, the people of the US have a better track record of keeping their government from spinning out of control (leftward or rightward) than do the peoples living in the South American republics. Our republic if we can keep it.

Many moons ago you were the one spouting democracy, now you are for a republic? In your opinion, what is the difference?
Sam

[togor]

Many moons ago you were the one spouting democracy, now you are for a republic? In your opinion, what is the difference?
Sam

Civics class? You can get the answers you need from Wiki. We don't have a hereditary monarch, and we select our leaders through mechanisms whereby elections are used to form a government with the consent of the governed.

[S.A. Boggs]

Civics class? You can get the answers you need from Wiki. We don't have a hereditary monarch, and we select our leaders through mechanisms whereby elections are used to form a government with the consent of the governed.

Exactly and Trump won the Electoral College as the framers of the Constitution intended it. Now the Democrats have for 3 years trying to undo the findings of the Electoral College...their dog won't hunt!
Sam

[Roadkingtrax]

Exactly and Trump won the Electoral College as the framers of the Constitution intended it. Now the Democrats have for 3 years trying to undo the findings of the Electoral College...their dog won't hunt!
Sam

You've got that backwards. What the Trump administration did violated the law.

[togor]

Exactly and Trump won the Electoral College as the framers of the Constitution intended it. Now the Democrats have for 3 years trying to undo the findings of the Electoral College...their dog won't hunt!
Sam

Right and the Constitution allows for removal of office of elected officials--overriding voter intent--for cause. You can't get impeached and removed from office unless you're first elected, so getting elected is not an immunity blanket to being held accountable for actions taken in the office. Nor should it be. One can argue that Trump's actions don't rise to a level where removal from office is appropriate. But arguing that impeachment is an attempt to override an election is a nonsense argument even if it plays extremely well with some.

[S.A. Boggs]

Right and the Constitution allows for removal of office of elected officials--overriding voter intent--for cause. You can't get impeached and removed from office unless you're first elected, so getting elected is not an immunity blanket to being held accountable for actions taken in the office. Nor should it be. One can argue that Trump's actions don't rise to a level where removal from office is appropriate. But arguing that impeachment is an attempt to override an election is a nonsense argument even if it plays extremely well with some.

If these arguments [not based on ANY law] is allowed to stand, no President is immune.
Sam

[togor]

If these arguments [not based on ANY law] is allowed to stand, no President is immune.
Sam

Impeachment is a political matter not a criminal one, given DOJ policy. As a political matter they leave it to Congress to decide. That's what "sole power" means as written in the Constitution, and what people are slow figure out.

So crazy example here.....a President decides to declassify and give our nuclear launch protocols to a foreign power. He's allowed to declassify anything he wants, so no laws broken. And yet, Constitutionally speaking, it feels like a "high crime and misdemeanor". Or, it gets out that he got 5 secretaries pregnant and paid for all of their abortions. These are extreme examples but hopefully they help you understand what the founders were getting at with "sole power" at a time when the Federal criminal code was pretty much non-existing.

[S.A. Boggs]

Impeachment is a political matter not a criminal one, given DOJ policy. As a political matter they leave it to Congress to decide. That's what "sole power" means as written in the Constitution, and what people are slow figure out.

So crazy example here.....a President decides to declassify and give our nuclear launch protocols to a foreign power. He's allowed to declassify anything he wants, so no laws broken. And yet, Constitutionally speaking, it feels like a "high crime and misdemeanor". Or, it gets out that he got 5 secretaries pregnant and paid for all of their abortions. These are extreme examples but hopefully they help you understand what the founders were getting at with "sole power" at a time when the Federal criminal code was pretty much non-existing.

So Obama gave all that cash to our enemies and the democrats didn't bat an eye. President asks for an investigation of an American high officer who appear to have been bribed and evidence of that. This is then impeachable???
Sam

[Roadkingtrax]

So Obama gave all that cash to our enemies and the democrats didn't bat an eye. President asks for an investigation of an American high officer who appear to have been bribed and evidence of that. This is then impeachable???
Sam