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  • blackhawknj
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 3754

    #16
    The people who perpetrated the Holocaust were caught, their crimes were revesled for the whole world to see. The victims of collectivization, the Great Leap Forward....
    Criminalizing Holocaust denial ?" Makes it a Thoughtcrime, no ?

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    • lyman
      Administrator - OFC
      • Aug 2009
      • 11268

      #17
      Originally posted by togor
      Lyman,

      Agree that genocide spans the spectrum.

      I see Holocaust denialism specifically as motivated by a desire to portray Nazis as less odious, which to me puts it on the right.
      maybe, but I have not seen it that way,

      what I have seen is folks like the flat earthers and lunar landings are hoax folks,
      some may had a vested interest they don't want to talk about, or feel the conspiracy is on their side, or are just plain nuts

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      Originally posted by RED
      BS... Nobody under 30 years of age ever heard of WWII. College students at the University of Arkansas were quizzed by local news channel and they had never heard that President John F. Kennedy had been assassinated. They had never heard of Joe Stalin, or Mao Zedong. Nor had had they ever heard of Charles de Gaulle or Winston Churchill.

      But none of them had ever been "left behind."
      I'll see maybe 100 or so kids this weekend, and likely talk to a few dozen of them, and maybe sell a half a dozen or more a WWII or WWI milsurp,
      so there are some what know a war was fought,

      and those that want to buy a piece of that history,

      of course most of them learned what they know from Call of duty or some such game

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      • Vern Humphrey
        Administrator - OFC
        • Aug 2009
        • 15875

        #18
        Originally posted by RED
        BS... Nobody under 30 years of age ever heard of WWII. College students at the University of Arkansas were quizzed by local news channel and they had never heard that President John F. Kennedy had been assassinated. They had never heard of Joe Stalin, or Mao Zedong. Nor had had they ever heard of Charles de Gaulle or Winston Churchill.

        But none of them had ever been "left behind."
        Most of them probably couldn't find Arkansas on a map. They're products of our modern "educational system." you know.

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        • lyman
          Administrator - OFC
          • Aug 2009
          • 11268

          #19
          Originally posted by RED
          BS... Nobody under 30 years of age ever heard of WWII. College students at the University of Arkansas were quizzed by local news channel and they had never heard that President John F. Kennedy had been assassinated. They had never heard of Joe Stalin, or Mao Zedong. Nor had had they ever heard of Charles de Gaulle or Winston Churchill.

          But none of them had ever been "left behind."
          so, you are retired, correct?

          got any grandkids in school?

          why not stop by and chat up the teachers, maybe a show and tell day, (don't show your as$, you do that enough here)


          chat up the PTA or whatever they are called now,


          be involved, do some local history re enactments etc etc,

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          • blackhawknj
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2011
            • 3754

            #20
            A big problem with kids today is they are underparented, between the high rate of illegitimacy and the high divorce rate, fatherlessness has become the norm and I'd say most children of divorce have little or no contact with the family of the non-custodial parent. Hence they get next to no family history. And the TV, the net, the video games -and the teachers-are the surrogate parent.
            Last edited by blackhawknj; 02-13-2020, 07:24.

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            • Vern Humphrey
              Administrator - OFC
              • Aug 2009
              • 15875

              #21
              Originally posted by lyman
              so, you are retired, correct?

              got any grandkids in school?

              why not stop by and chat up the teachers, maybe a show and tell day, (don't show your as$, you do that enough here)


              chat up the PTA or whatever they are called now,


              be involved, do some local history re enactments etc etc,
              My grandkids attend Catholic schools, which are actually schools, and they really learn things. My wife and I pay $10K tuition a year for High School -- well worth it.

              Now I have had liberals say, "Why don't you send them to the Public Schools and work to make those schools better?"

              My answer is, the Public Schools have failed and are beyond saving -- and I have no obligation to sacrifice my grandchildren on the altar of the NEA. There is, you know, a Gresham's Law of Education -- bad schools drive out good parents (and grand parents.)

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              • togor
                Banned
                • Nov 2009
                • 17610

                #22
                Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                My grandkids attend Catholic schools, which are actually schools, and they really learn things. My wife and I pay $10K tuition a year for High School -- well worth it.

                Now I have had liberals say, "Why don't you send them to the Public Schools and work to make those schools better?"

                My answer is, the Public Schools have failed and are beyond saving -- and I have no obligation to sacrifice my grandchildren on the altar of the NEA. There is, you know, a Gresham's Law of Education -- bad schools drive out good parents (and grand parents.)
                LOL, another private school enthusiast turning his nose down at the public schools!

                Catholic schools? Incredibly uneven in outcomes, but the parents have to feel better about them because otherwise the tuition bill makes zero sense.

                One huge difference: Catholic and any other private school can turn kids away that don't make their cut, "dumping" them back on the public school system. This fact is not lost on parents of privately schooled or home schooled children, who are practicing a form of elitism whether they think it so or not.

                It's not the fault of public schools that people have kids and proceed to then fail them as parents.

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                • oscars
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 551

                  #23
                  The most heavily unionized teacher force is Connecticut, which has the highest teacher pay scale and the highest test scores nationally. Some kind of correlation or, maybe, causation.

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                  • Roadkingtrax
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 7835

                    #24
                    Originally posted by togor
                    LOL, another private school enthusiast turning his nose down at the public schools!

                    Catholic schools? Incredibly uneven in outcomes, but the parents have to feel better about them because otherwise the tuition bill makes zero sense.

                    One huge difference: Catholic and any other private school can turn kids away that don't make their cut, "dumping" them back on the public school system. This fact is not lost on parents of privately schooled or home schooled children, who are practicing a form of elitism whether they think it so or not.

                    It's not the fault of public schools that people have kids and proceed to then fail them as parents.
                    Don't overlook the stipend in the story either.
                    "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                    • S.A. Boggs
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 8568

                      #25
                      Originally posted by oscars
                      The most heavily unionized teacher force is Connecticut, which has the highest teacher pay scale and the highest test scores nationally. Some kind of correlation or, maybe, causation.
                      Please provide documentation on your statement, not opinion.
                      Sam

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                      • oscars
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 551

                        #26
                        Chalkbeat.org, Are teacher unions helping or hurting schools, Matt Barnum April 15, 2019
                        NEA unionization, teacher salaries

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