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  • barretcreek
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2013
    • 6065

    #31
    Youse guys missed the whole point about Obama. Only a sleazebag lawyer could find this gem in the U.S. Code, which is why it popped up while the 'Beast was trying to get the nod.
    The b.s. was based on his mother being under a certain age when she married a furr'ner and failing to jump through all the proper hoops while little Barack was supposedly born outside the U.S. The Canal Zone was U.S. territory when McCain was born, and both of Cruz's parents were U.S. citizens when he was born.
    The worst part about Obama's alleged ineligibility was the law which supposedly invalidated him was repealed/scrapped when he was a kid, so anyone affected by it got unaffected. Assuming he was born in Kenya it was mooted when the law went into the trashcan.

    Winston Churchill was not a U.S. citizen because a child born to an American woman, outside the U.S. who was married to a non-citizen did not have birthright citizenship at that time. It wasn't until much later that was changed.

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    • Vern Humphrey
      Administrator - OFC
      • Aug 2009
      • 15875

      #32
      The ineligibility wasn't due to where he (or any other politician) was born. It's due to Article VI, Clause 3:

      Clause 3: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

      A man, or woman, who cannot take that oath in sincerity, but who intends to violate the Constitution, cannot serve.

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      • Sandpebble
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2017
        • 2196

        #33
        A correction Barret

        Originally posted by barretcreek
        Youse guys missed the whole point about Obama. Only a sleazebag lawyer could find this gem in the U.S. Code, which is why it popped up while the 'Beast was trying to get the nod.
        The b.s. was based on his mother being under a certain age when she married a furr'ner and failing to jump through all the proper hoops while little Barack was supposedly born outside the U.S. The Canal Zone was U.S. territory when McCain was born, and both of Cruz's parents were U.S. citizens when he was born.
        The worst part about Obama's alleged ineligibility was the law which supposedly invalidated him was repealed/scrapped when he was a kid, so anyone affected by it got unaffected. Assuming he was born in Kenya it was mooted when the law went into the trashcan.

        Winston Churchill was not a U.S. citizen because a child born to an American woman, outside the U.S. who was married to a non-citizen did not have birthright citizenship at that time. It wasn't until much later that was changed.
        Actually as far as Cruz goes... his father was NOT a US citizen at the time of Ted { Rafael } Cruzs' birth. He was still a Cuban .

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        • togor
          Banned
          • Nov 2009
          • 17610

          #34
          barrettcreek has a few facts wrong. McCain was born on an overseas post that could be treated as US soil. Not so Cruz, who was born on Canadian terra firma, to a Cuban father no less, yet found himself on a GOP presidential ballot. Obama was born in Hawaii, per the records, but even so, mom was as American as anyone here.

          https://www.factcheck.org/2015/03/te...l-eligibility/

          This is gonna sound crazy, but many people feel that 'birtherism' is a kind of racist reaction, an attitude that because Obama had an African father, he can't really be one of us. Ridiculous, huh?
          Last edited by togor; 02-16-2020, 06:20.

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          • RED
            Very Senior Member - OFC
            • Aug 2009
            • 11689

            #35
            The entire birther BS has always been a made up tale that was made up by Obama supporters knowing it was so outrageously unimportant that those that swallowed the bait hook line and sinker would be laughed about and ridiculed.

            Anybody remember the two mile wide highway that was being secretly built from the Mexican border all the way to Canada... It was the same kind of BS.

            And so it goes...
            Last edited by RED; 02-16-2020, 07:08.

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            • togor
              Banned
              • Nov 2009
              • 17610

              #36
              Worse than the claims themselves is the toll they took on the President himself. Yes, I mean Donald Trump. Believe me, nobody has suffered more by the birther BS than he has, and no one has worked harder to set the record straight than President Trump and his supporters.

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              • S.A. Boggs
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 8568

                #37
                Originally posted by Sandpebble
                Actually as far as Cruz goes... his father was NOT a US citizen at the time of Ted { Rafael } Cruzs' birth. He was still a Cuban .
                It appears that pebbles has much experience on what a legal/illegal is.
                Sam

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                • blackhawknj
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 3754

                  #38
                  The whole point with the Birthers was that the Obamhadi refused to release his records. He refused to release his college transcripts, and despite graduating from an Ivy League college-Columbia-nobody remembers him.

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                  • togor
                    Banned
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 17610

                    #39
                    Originally posted by blackhawknj
                    The whole point with the Birthers was that the Obamhadi refused to release his records. He refused to release his college transcripts, and despite graduating from an Ivy League college-Columbia-nobody remembers him.
                    Moving the goalposts again. In this case up next to a brick wall with the letters "Trump Transcripts" painted on it. Birtherism was a political smear, nothing more. It doesn't deserve the attempt to put a redeeming face on it. Let it die.
                    Last edited by togor; 02-17-2020, 04:18.

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